Zeitgeist in another nine years time. - Page 6

patj825 · 08-30-2016, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dade

That's a pretty good description.

I think the fans would have appreciated this album a little better if different songs had been chosen for the core album. Tracks like 99 floors, Sunkissed, Stellar, MaBelle etc.. For God & Country even sounded great acoustically.. Aside from the vocals being mixed crappy, this era of SP wasn't horrible by any means..

This show, and the acoustic sessions from IAGW are pretty great IMO..

That is a great show.
https://archive.org/details/tsp2007-06-05.mbho.flac16

BurtSampson · 08-30-2016, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patj825

That is a great show.
https://archive.org/details/tsp2007-06-05.mbho.flac16

never heard United States acoustic neat

patj825 · 08-30-2016, 06:51 PM

The XM Artist Confidential is also great
http://thepumpkins.net/music/701-mus...t-confidential

redbreegull · 08-30-2016, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patj825

It's funny how some like each of the previous albums because they were very different from each other, but dislike Zeitgeist because it lacks similarities to previous albums.

did someone say that? I'm not sure I've ever heard that. Most people I think would say Z is a shameless rehash of old Pumpkins. Again, even Billy said it was meant as a reintroduction to the band's music.

The last thing Billy did that actually accomplished something new for him sonically was TFE.

slunken · 08-30-2016, 11:20 PM

TFE sucks so hard it's unforgivable. How hard did it suck? On the day it was released he publicly begged his band to reform.

slunken · 08-30-2016, 11:21 PM

If you want to champion TTE, take a look at zeitgeist.

slunken · 08-30-2016, 11:22 PM

Also what pat mentioned is so true. Real heads know.

redbreegull · 08-30-2016, 11:52 PM

I didn't say anything about the quality of the music on TFE, I said it was unexplored sonic territory for Billy Corgan and it represents the last time in his career that he really ventured into something foreign for himself.

Elphenor · 08-31-2016, 12:25 AM

TFE is boring but not horrible or anything while ZG is just embarrassing

Disco King · 08-31-2016, 12:40 AM

I've listened to TFE like once.

The only songs I can remember are "The Camera Eye" and "Walking Shade." And I can really only remember the opening part to "Walking Shade" and the fact that he's wearing an embarrassing steampunk costume in the video.

Corgan's Bluff · 08-31-2016, 01:56 AM

Jimmy Chamberlin in 2008: "We honestly believe that our best records are ahead of us."

https://youtu.be/FTSOAofPBNs?t=16s

MyKeyZ · 08-31-2016, 02:34 AM

I'll take Zeitgeist over any other post-SP 1.0 releases. At least it has some edge and occasional aggressiveness. There is a sense of momentum. The mixing and production could use some love.

teh b0lly!!1 · 08-31-2016, 04:19 AM

i think TFE is much better than Zeitgeist, if only for the fact that it makes an effort to tread uncharted territory. it's not a great record by any means, but i do think it has a few vibey moments on it. and Tilt is fucking legit great. zeitgeist, on the other hand, is just a dissociated attempt (first of many more to come) of trying to 'give teh fans what they want' and rawk as hard as possible in a very dispassionate way, without any real drive behind it. also, it probably features the worst vocals of any album i'd ever listened to.

patj825 · 08-31-2016, 09:41 AM

One of my favorite TFE era shows:
https://archive.org/details/bc2005-07-28

FoolofaTook · 08-31-2016, 01:06 PM

The cover art for TFE sums up the music: cringe-worthy.

Shitegeist is a turd. You guys are comparing shit with shit.

FoolofaTook · 08-31-2016, 01:07 PM

Only meth and Darcy can save bEllie now.

Ram27 · 08-31-2016, 03:57 PM

or acid. i mean, gish was pretty good

toase · 08-31-2016, 09:32 PM

tfe > zeitgeist

redbreegull · 08-31-2016, 10:13 PM

Mina Loy, A100, Walking Shade, Sorrows, and DIA are all pretty solid songs. There are maybe 2 songs on Zeitgeist which are solid all the way through.

T&T · 09-01-2016, 01:35 AM

can't we just wait another 9 years. I don't think this thread is worth visiting yet.

RenewRevive · 09-01-2016, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elphenor

it's shit probably the worst album I've ever heard from a band I like tbh

James Iha's solo album is actually better and I'd never listen to that either

I'd got with "Around the Sun" by REM.

teh b0lly!!1 · 09-01-2016, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redbreegull

There are maybe 2 songs on Zeitgeist which are solid all the way through.

bahahaha

RenewRevive · 09-01-2016, 06:10 AM

After the disappointment of MSotS and the Zwan meltdown I was puzzled by Corgan's stab at a solo album. Whereas Zwan (live, at least) had a warm, organic sound TFE was all pro-tools and digital sterility. Sure there were a few decent songs and I stick it on occasionally. He still managed (even with presumably not a massive amount of material to choose from) to stick a duff version of a Bee Gees song on the album, in place of the decent "Tilt". which of course is classic BC. Plus the ridiculous steampunk affectations.

Then we got the SP reformation announcement and I did a 180 and was pretty stoked, dissipated by the subsequent news that it would be just Billy and Jimmy. Then the leak of Tarantula which made me uneasy about the new album's direction. Then the overwhelming clunker of Zeitgeist appeared, soulless, badly mastered, ghastly synthetic sheen, Corgan's amped-up vocals and the ghastly "oh-oh-ohs" and "ah-ah-ahs", which is either evidence of Billy's growth as a confident singer (nah) or inability to allow any space to exist (probably US is the exception). Even the otherwise decent songs (Starz etc) are ruined to some extent by this tendency to not shut the fuck up. Even Corgan's guitar was sometimes irritating (Brian May impersonation on BTL for example). Virtually every song appeared better live (God + Country an obvious example), which showed that maybe the songs weren't all that bad, at least at some point in the recording process. A new bottomless pit in terms of translating songs into a CD for BC; granted most of the TbK stuff sound even worse, although I'd say the songs themselves are irredeemable in many cases - Owata being an exception. Uninspired drumming notwithstanding at least Oceania actually sounded like the material played live.

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08-30-2016, 06:51 PM	#153
patj825 Pledge Posts: 238	The XM Artist Confidential is also great http://thepumpkins.net/music/701-mus...t-confidential

08-30-2016, 11:20 PM	#155
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	TFE sucks so hard it's unforgivable. How hard did it suck? On the day it was released he publicly begged his band to reform.

08-30-2016, 11:21 PM	#156
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	If you want to champion TTE, take a look at zeitgeist.

08-30-2016, 11:22 PM	#157
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	Also what pat mentioned is so true. Real heads know.

08-30-2016, 11:52 PM	#158
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	I didn't say anything about the quality of the music on TFE, I said it was unexplored sonic territory for Billy Corgan and it represents the last time in his career that he really ventured into something foreign for himself.

08-31-2016, 12:25 AM	#159
Elphenor Braindead Location: TX Posts: 16,289	TFE is boring but not horrible or anything while ZG is just embarrassing

08-31-2016, 12:40 AM	#160
Disco King Minion of Satan Location: Banned Posts: 8,874	I've listened to TFE like once. The only songs I can remember are "The Camera Eye" and "Walking Shade." And I can really only remember the opening part to "Walking Shade" and the fact that he's wearing an embarrassing steampunk costume in the video.

08-31-2016, 01:56 AM	#161
Corgan's Bluff Minion of Satan Location: Travelling between Ukraine and Russia Posts: 5,351	Jimmy Chamberlin in 2008: "We honestly believe that our best records are ahead of us." https://youtu.be/FTSOAofPBNs?t=16s

08-31-2016, 02:34 AM	#162
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,688	I'll take Zeitgeist over any other post-SP 1.0 releases. At least it has some edge and occasional aggressiveness. There is a sense of momentum. The mixing and production could use some love.

08-31-2016, 04:19 AM	#163
teh b0lly!!1 Braindead Location: PROWLING THE BADLANDS Posts: 17,399	i think TFE is much better than Zeitgeist, if only for the fact that it makes an effort to tread uncharted territory. it's not a great record by any means, but i do think it has a few vibey moments on it. and Tilt is fucking legit great. zeitgeist, on the other hand, is just a dissociated attempt (first of many more to come) of trying to 'give teh fans what they want' and rawk as hard as possible in a very dispassionate way, without any real drive behind it. also, it probably features the worst vocals of any album i'd ever listened to.

08-31-2016, 09:41 AM	#164
patj825 Pledge Posts: 238	One of my favorite TFE era shows: https://archive.org/details/bc2005-07-28

08-31-2016, 01:06 PM	#165
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	The cover art for TFE sums up the music: cringe-worthy. Shitegeist is a turd. You guys are comparing shit with shit.

08-31-2016, 01:07 PM	#166
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	Only meth and Darcy can save bEllie now.

08-31-2016, 03:57 PM	#167
Ram27 dumb Location: $8.6 million embezzled funds Posts: 11,365	or acid. i mean, gish was pretty good

08-31-2016, 09:32 PM	#168
toase Apocalyptic Poster Location: AA meetings Posts: 4,026	tfe > zeitgeist

08-31-2016, 10:13 PM	#169
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,749	Mina Loy, A100, Walking Shade, Sorrows, and DIA are all pretty solid songs. There are maybe 2 songs on Zeitgeist which are solid all the way through.

09-01-2016, 01:35 AM	#170
T&T Socialphobic Location: montreal Posts: 11,675	can't we just wait another 9 years. I don't think this thread is worth visiting yet.

09-01-2016, 06:10 AM	#173
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	After the disappointment of MSotS and the Zwan meltdown I was puzzled by Corgan's stab at a solo album. Whereas Zwan (live, at least) had a warm, organic sound TFE was all pro-tools and digital sterility. Sure there were a few decent songs and I stick it on occasionally. He still managed (even with presumably not a massive amount of material to choose from) to stick a duff version of a Bee Gees song on the album, in place of the decent "Tilt". which of course is classic BC. Plus the ridiculous steampunk affectations. Then we got the SP reformation announcement and I did a 180 and was pretty stoked, dissipated by the subsequent news that it would be just Billy and Jimmy. Then the leak of Tarantula which made me uneasy about the new album's direction. Then the overwhelming clunker of Zeitgeist appeared, soulless, badly mastered, ghastly synthetic sheen, Corgan's amped-up vocals and the ghastly "oh-oh-ohs" and "ah-ah-ahs", which is either evidence of Billy's growth as a confident singer (nah) or inability to allow any space to exist (probably US is the exception). Even the otherwise decent songs (Starz etc) are ruined to some extent by this tendency to not shut the fuck up. Even Corgan's guitar was sometimes irritating (Brian May impersonation on BTL for example). Virtually every song appeared better live (God + Country an obvious example), which showed that maybe the songs weren't all that bad, at least at some point in the recording process. A new bottomless pit in terms of translating songs into a CD for BC; granted most of the TbK stuff sound even worse, although I'd say the songs themselves are irredeemable in many cases - Owata being an exception. Uninspired drumming notwithstanding at least Oceania actually sounded like the material played live.