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03-02-2014, 10:42 AM | #1 |
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Why was Darcy left out of the "Graceful Swans Of Never" Documentary?
Was anyone else disappointed and distressed that Darcy was only quoted once in the documentary?
I've been a big SP fan since "Siamese Dream" came out and I would have liked to hear more of Darcy's opinions and perspectives in the documentary. Even if she didn't want to do a new interview for the documentary (which would have been great), there has to be tons of old footage from past interviews that could have been included. But, she only was quoted once in the whole thing. Did that bother anyone else? Any comments? |
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03-02-2014, 10:44 AM | #2 |
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For anyone that hasn't seen the documentary, it's worth watching.
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03-02-2014, 10:52 AM | #3 |
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That was released during the Machina era after she quit. Billy may have still been a little pissed with her.
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03-02-2014, 10:59 AM | #4 |
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I didn't know that, I thought it was fairly new. I saw it on youtube last year for the first time. Anyways, was Billy Corgan in charge of the content? I got the feeling that it was made by a more objective source?
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03-02-2014, 11:07 AM | #5 |
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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think Billy hired people to make the documentary. It was released around the time they were putting on their farewell shows in Chicago.
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03-02-2014, 11:08 AM | #6 |
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03-02-2014, 11:34 AM | #7 |
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Not quite. He may have seen the final edit but I don't think he oversaw every detail of the thing.
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03-02-2014, 11:36 AM | #8 |
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03-02-2014, 12:17 PM | #9 |
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Maybe she was asked and she didn't want to be part of it or if she was part of it she would just hate on billy. Who knows. But they do talk about her in it.
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03-02-2014, 12:59 PM | #10 |
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03-03-2014, 01:57 PM | #11 |
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Hey morespsoon what else distresses you? D'Arcy not being in this Doc seems like major stuff.
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03-03-2014, 04:31 PM | #12 |
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03-03-2014, 09:51 PM | #13 |
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It would be kinda cool if Jimmy ever rejoined. |
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03-03-2014, 10:31 PM | #14 |
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to suggest d'arcy was "left out" is comical.
pretty sure she wants not a fuckin' thing to do with bill. |
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03-03-2014, 11:04 PM | #15 |
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Just started watching. Never seen this before.
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03-04-2014, 07:47 AM | #16 |
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to be honest, when I look back at those days, (april 1999) when d'arcy left, many people who met her then say that she was completely fed up with the music business and the rock-star life. so I guess it must've been her own decision to not take part in anything SP-related after her departure, or generally anything that would give her exposure in the media..
this documentary was shot before the last metro show I think.. have you seen the 'full circle' documentary? it's on youtube, it's in 5 or 6 parts I think.. that one was released after the last metro show and has footage of it as well.. it also has some interviews with james, even though he and billy were not on good terms back then.. so I suppose if d'arcy wanted to say a few words, they'd let her to. |
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03-04-2014, 10:16 AM | #17 |
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i thought she wanted to become an actress after she had left the pumpkins. or was that not the case?
surely an actress wouldn't mind some media exposure? |
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03-04-2014, 11:36 AM | #18 | |
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But, watching the documentary reminded me of how much I used to admire Darcy for her attitude and coolness and perspective and I kept hoping there would be comments from her as I was watching the documentary but they never came so it bothered me. It bothered me, OK? It was a waisted opportunity but a good documentary overall I'd say. |
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03-04-2014, 12:20 PM | #19 |
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Well, she was a crack addict at that point. So...
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03-04-2014, 12:52 PM | #20 |
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03-04-2014, 01:21 PM | #21 | |
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although, I guess the turning point was when she was arrested for crack possesion in early 2000.. after that practically nobody heard anything from her for another 8-9 years, so that's probably what made her isolate herself from the media.. and since most of the documentaries were made in late 2000, I'm not suprised she didn't say anything. |
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03-04-2014, 02:26 PM | #23 |
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yeah, I guess she started shunning away from the media attention after that arrest, like I said in the earlier post. although she pretty much hated the music industry at the time.. a lot of people who've met her then say that it was the music business (probably coupled with the tensions in the band) that made her leave the pumpkins.
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03-05-2014, 01:40 AM | #24 |
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I was giving this some thought today, was Darcy the coolest member the Pumpkins ever had?
If you think about the original members: Billy Corgan: What's cool about a narcissistic ego-maniacal control freak? None of that's cool. James Iha: From what I've read, the word "asshole" comes up a lot. That's not cool. Jimmy Chamberlain: Everything I've ever heard him say reminds me of one thing: Bland. That's not cool. I'd say none of the current members in the band strike me as cool. That leaves Darcy, Mike Byrne, Melissa Auf der Maur, Ginger Reyes, and Matt Walker as people that I would consider as being genuine "band members." Out of that group, I would choose Darcy as the coolest, personally. This would be a hell of a thread but based on my experience on this forum the topic would get bashed for many reasons. Anyone want to start up a thread on this topic? |
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03-05-2014, 03:34 AM | #25 |
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03-05-2014, 03:36 AM | #26 |
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you came up with a stupid question and one vague reason per member why they're not cool. ("from what i've read, the word asshole comes up a lot. that's not cool.")
i'm sure someone could come up with a vague reason why d'arcy wasn't cool. and then what? mike garson is the coolest pumpkin now? ("he played with david bowie. that's cool.") great reasoning, morespoons! well done. |
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03-05-2014, 04:00 AM | #27 | |
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03-05-2014, 04:02 AM | #28 |
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The "coolness" topic will never fly on this board.
But, how about this topic: Who do you consider to be have been a REAL member of Smashing Pumpkins? That's a complex and interesting discussion right there, any objections? |
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03-05-2014, 04:08 AM | #29 |
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i personally think that's an absolutely pointless discussion.
basically what you want to do is label and categorise all band members. i wouldn't know why you'd want to do that. maybe you're one of those people who enjoys making lists and organising your albums in itunes? you could come up with two or more categories and discuss the shit out of them, but in the end, it'll just come down to the definition of your categories. big fucking deal. |
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03-05-2014, 04:10 AM | #30 |
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"x is a real member of the band to me, because my definition is this and this."
"LOL! retard! x is not a real member of the band. he doesn't fit my definition." (and so on for a page or two.) |
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