Machina Reissue - Page 17

The exploding boy · 06-11-2015, 10:09 AM

i said this before but i had real issues with machina 1 at first because it sounded overproduced but M2's unfinished state production wise is way worse. There's only like 3 songs i like on M2 and they're definitely not served by the shitty sound. M1 over M2 any day.

DemonUnicorns · 06-11-2015, 10:11 AM

I'd also take M1. There are only 3 songs on it I'm not that fond of.

pavementtune · 06-11-2015, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The exploding boy

There's only like 3 songs i like on M2 and they're definitely not served by the shitty sound. M1 over M2 any day.

that's it, we can't be friends anymore.
fucking M1 squeaky clean blaaa blown up to sound epic.
there, said it - I don't like M1, love M2. come fight me!

The exploding boy · 06-11-2015, 11:35 AM

M1 is more 80s influences (sorta, depends the songs) and less big riffs. the latter which M2 has. is it any wonder i prefer m1. It's catchier. Mind you i still dont like nearly half of m1.

m2 songs i like, real love, slow dawn and..... some other i forget right now. I know there's another one though.

The exploding boy · 06-11-2015, 12:13 PM

lucky 13- big riff
glass - big riff
cash car star - big riff
dross - big riff
blue skies electric - big riff
white spyder - big riff

granted the other songs are fairly 80s inspired too. well..at least 3 of the off the top of my head.

on m1 what is there...everlasting and heavy metal machine that really qualify as big riffs.

i was wrong too the songs i liked on m2 are real love, home, innosense and i guess let me give the world. slow dawn is ok i guess but not really a fav.

bye june · 06-11-2015, 12:30 PM

I don't think there's any point in seperating M1 and M2 anymore, I go in listening to MACHINA as a whole piece as it was intended by Billy.

I just want the reissue to come out so I can hear all the tracks remastered and resequenced in the originally visioned double album format.

Shadaloo · 06-11-2015, 12:47 PM

A big deal is made of the underproduction of MII, but I'm just as interested in seeing what MI will be like without Phil Spector blowing his nose all over it.

soniclovenoize · 06-11-2015, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody

Yeah but that experimentation is an aesthetical choice. They spent a lot of money making it sound like shit.

Lo-fi is just turning up and playing with what you have, cheap and low quality production.

That's the diffference as I understand it. There's a balance and M2 tips to the point where it no longer compliments the mood of the music and just obscures songs that would sound better with mainstream MCIS-style production. On songs like Real Love it doesn't service the song at all.

Remember that M2 is all literally rough mixes they had laying around. None of that even got a proper final mix.

slunken · 06-12-2015, 09:06 AM

bunny · 06-12-2015, 09:39 AM

The production style in those 'rough' mixes works for the the songs. I particularly like that songs like 'real love' are a wash of noise in your face.

Doing them with mainstream MCIS-style production would have been a step back and boring.

soniclovenoize · 06-12-2015, 09:57 AM

Probably just because that's what you've gotten accustomed to over the last 15 years of hearing them like that.

DemonUnicorns · 06-12-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Probably just because that's what you've gotten accustomed to over the last 15 years of hearing them like that.

Ding ding

The exploding boy · 06-12-2015, 11:08 AM

i'll add a ding to it.

i checked out m2 again last night cause i hadn't listened to this in well....over ten years. yeah you have to be a troo fan to make it through most of this. And i'm not even some nerd who is overly anal about production or requires his mp3's be 320kps or anything but the sound on some of these is just too bad to be enjoyable. A few songs sound alright though, like they didn't need that much more tampering with.

DemonUnicorns · 06-12-2015, 11:19 AM

I think Go sounds ok mix wise. Most of the rest of them really do need a new mix, some of them a complete overhaul.

Shadaloo · 06-12-2015, 11:47 AM

White Spyder in particular. From my first listen, it bothered me with just how blown-out it was. Been hoping it would be cleaned up some day ever since.

slunken · 06-12-2015, 02:03 PM

Yea just like TOASE

FoolofaTook · 06-12-2015, 02:25 PM

yeah, a complete production overhaul and myriads will be joining our ranks of trooness.

FoolofaTook · 06-12-2015, 02:26 PM

or maybe just one bashful and illiterate mormon will be drawn to the sparkly sound

Shallowed · 06-12-2015, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slunken

Yea just like TOASE

Oh yeah, i forgot that most people dislike this song. I should have realised who I was talking to.

Mals Marola · 06-13-2015, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunny

Doing them with mainstream MCIS-style production

i think most just wanted them on machina 1 level, at least

that's what i want at least

the machina EXPERIENCE
complete with toy & mystery teaze

bunny · 06-13-2015, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

White Spyder in particular. From my first listen, it bothered me with just how blown-out it was. Been hoping it would be cleaned up some day ever since.

I love the way it sounds.
you people are crazy.

soniclovenoize · 06-13-2015, 10:53 AM

Probably just because that's what you've gotten accustomed to over the last 15 years of hearing them like that.

smashingjj · 06-13-2015, 11:24 AM

i don't think that two albums that both have their different mixing/production issues will be much better when mixed by ser william corgan, second of his name in >2015.

i would still like to hear it though

Catherine Wheel · 06-13-2015, 11:34 AM

White Spyder is awesome. Just surreal sounding. Best song from Machina 2. That song makes me think Corgan might be a genius.

soniclovenoize · 06-13-2015, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashingjj

i don't think that two albums that both have their different mixing/production issues will be much better when mixed by ser william corgan, second of his name in >2015.

i would still like to hear it though

Just imagine how loud the vocals will be!

bunny · 06-13-2015, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Probably just because that's what you've gotten accustomed to over the last 15 years of hearing them like that.

that doesn't explain that I liked the way it sounded 15 years ago when it first came out. and it doesn't explain that I like other music that also sounds blown out oversaturated drowned in reverb&fuzz.

soniclovenoize · 06-13-2015, 12:35 PM

15 years ago I like Happiness is a Not a Fish That You Can Catch.

Catherine Wheel · 06-13-2015, 12:37 PM

One Man Army is still my jam. Great song and video.

soniclovenoize · 06-13-2015, 12:44 PM

"Eeeeee-iiiii-Eeeeeee-iiiiiiii-Eeeeeee-iiiiii...

Jeee-aaaaayyydddeeeddddd..."

Catherine Wheel · 06-14-2015, 09:25 AM

Ill never understand why OLP weren't bigger in the states. They had everything that was great about SP but without all the theatrical melodramatic bullshit.

06-12-2015, 09:06 AM	#489
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	Yes

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06-11-2015, 10:09 AM	#481
The exploding boy Minion of Satan Location: "I'm a quivering collection of the worst and least helpful emotions: fear, anxiety, terror, paranoia, indigestion, dishpan hands..." Posts: 7,765	i said this before but i had real issues with machina 1 at first because it sounded overproduced but M2's unfinished state production wise is way worse. There's only like 3 songs i like on M2 and they're definitely not served by the shitty sound. M1 over M2 any day.

06-11-2015, 10:11 AM	#482
DemonUnicorns Ownz Posts: 879	I'd also take M1. There are only 3 songs on it I'm not that fond of.

06-11-2015, 11:35 AM	#484
The exploding boy Minion of Satan Location: "I'm a quivering collection of the worst and least helpful emotions: fear, anxiety, terror, paranoia, indigestion, dishpan hands..." Posts: 7,765	M1 is more 80s influences (sorta, depends the songs) and less big riffs. the latter which M2 has. is it any wonder i prefer m1. It's catchier. Mind you i still dont like nearly half of m1. m2 songs i like, real love, slow dawn and..... some other i forget right now. I know there's another one though.

06-11-2015, 12:13 PM	#485
The exploding boy Minion of Satan Location: "I'm a quivering collection of the worst and least helpful emotions: fear, anxiety, terror, paranoia, indigestion, dishpan hands..." Posts: 7,765	lucky 13- big riff glass - big riff cash car star - big riff dross - big riff blue skies electric - big riff white spyder - big riff granted the other songs are fairly 80s inspired too. well..at least 3 of the off the top of my head. on m1 what is there...everlasting and heavy metal machine that really qualify as big riffs. i was wrong too the songs i liked on m2 are real love, home, innosense and i guess let me give the world. slow dawn is ok i guess but not really a fav.

06-11-2015, 12:30 PM	#486
bye june Ownz Location: Sadlands Posts: 930	I don't think there's any point in seperating M1 and M2 anymore, I go in listening to MACHINA as a whole piece as it was intended by Billy. I just want the reissue to come out so I can hear all the tracks remastered and resequenced in the originally visioned double album format.

06-11-2015, 12:47 PM	#487
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	A big deal is made of the underproduction of MII, but I'm just as interested in seeing what MI will be like without Phil Spector blowing his nose all over it.

06-12-2015, 09:39 AM	#490
bunny Demi-God Location: NY, NY, USA Posts: 345	The production style in those 'rough' mixes works for the the songs. I particularly like that songs like 'real love' are a wash of noise in your face. Doing them with mainstream MCIS-style production would have been a step back and boring.

06-12-2015, 09:57 AM	#491
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	Probably just because that's what you've gotten accustomed to over the last 15 years of hearing them like that.

06-12-2015, 11:08 AM	#493
The exploding boy Minion of Satan Location: "I'm a quivering collection of the worst and least helpful emotions: fear, anxiety, terror, paranoia, indigestion, dishpan hands..." Posts: 7,765	i'll add a ding to it. i checked out m2 again last night cause i hadn't listened to this in well....over ten years. yeah you have to be a troo fan to make it through most of this. And i'm not even some nerd who is overly anal about production or requires his mp3's be 320kps or anything but the sound on some of these is just too bad to be enjoyable. A few songs sound alright though, like they didn't need that much more tampering with.

06-12-2015, 11:19 AM	#494
DemonUnicorns Ownz Posts: 879	I think Go sounds ok mix wise. Most of the rest of them really do need a new mix, some of them a complete overhaul.

06-12-2015, 11:47 AM	#495
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	White Spyder in particular. From my first listen, it bothered me with just how blown-out it was. Been hoping it would be cleaned up some day ever since.

06-12-2015, 02:03 PM	#496
slunken Virgo Posts: 42,781	Yea just like TOASE

06-12-2015, 02:25 PM	#497
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	yeah, a complete production overhaul and myriads will be joining our ranks of trooness.

06-12-2015, 02:26 PM	#498
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	or maybe just one bashful and illiterate mormon will be drawn to the sparkly sound

06-13-2015, 10:53 AM	#502
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	Probably just because that's what you've gotten accustomed to over the last 15 years of hearing them like that.

06-13-2015, 11:24 AM	#503
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	i don't think that two albums that both have their different mixing/production issues will be much better when mixed by ser william corgan, second of his name in >2015. i would still like to hear it though

06-13-2015, 11:34 AM	#504
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	White Spyder is awesome. Just surreal sounding. Best song from Machina 2. That song makes me think Corgan might be a genius.

06-13-2015, 12:35 PM	#507
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	15 years ago I like Happiness is a Not a Fish That You Can Catch.

06-13-2015, 12:37 PM	#508
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	One Man Army is still my jam. Great song and video.

06-13-2015, 12:44 PM	#509
soniclovenoize Minion of Satan Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,595	"Eeeeee-iiiii-Eeeeeee-iiiiiiii-Eeeeeee-iiiiii... Jeee-aaaaayyydddeeeddddd..."

06-14-2015, 09:25 AM	#510
Catherine Wheel Banned Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 6,310	Ill never understand why OLP weren't bigger in the states. They had everything that was great about SP but without all the theatrical melodramatic bullshit.