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Old 11-12-2012, 09:41 PM   #61
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I know conservatives have a hard time figuring out why anything is worthwhile if it doesn't benefit "the individual" but Obamacare is going to save the system and the country a bunch of cash

 
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:53 PM   #62
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medicaid varies dramatically by state (because, federalism!). it sucks in a lot of places and doesn't do nearly enough.

i don't think the penalty is tied to the poverty line. it's more nuanced than that. too lazy to look into it. just trying to catch some of the misinformation in this thread.

health care financing is an absolute fucking disaster right now and the ACA moves us in the right direction.

 
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Old 11-12-2012, 09:57 PM   #63
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It will hurt the poor who will receive lower quality health care, the working poor who will constantly lose coverage when they exceed the base poverty line and still cannot afford to pay for it, small business owners, and self employed. I don't think Obama's care is going to be any better than what we have now and what makes it worse are the penalties.

If Scotty wants people to stop going to the ER, then we better come up with a better system, because this is not going to stop the uninsured from ER visits.
where in the world do you get your information, starla

 
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:05 PM   #64
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ITT people who don't know anything about actuarial science try to figure out how insurance works

 
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:28 PM   #65
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where in the world do you get your information, starla
At my job, in meetings, discussions, material, etc.

 
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:43 PM   #66
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medicaid varies dramatically by state (because, federalism!). it sucks in a lot of places and doesn't do nearly enough.

i don't think the penalty is tied to the poverty line. it's more nuanced than that. too lazy to look into it. just trying to catch some of the misinformation in this thread.

health care financing is an absolute fucking disaster right now and the ACA moves us in the right direction.
No one said that the penalties apply to those on or below the poverty line. We need to think about what kind of care people will get, as well as solving the financial issues.

Here's a novel idea...... quit funding these endless wars, and gee, maybe we can put that money into health care and education.

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:33 AM   #67
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starla 2016
"ideas no one has ever thought of before"

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:01 AM   #68
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It will hurt the poor who will receive lower quality health care,
lower quality health care as opposed to not having any?

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:48 AM   #69
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Starla mad because free government health care. AND Starla made because no free health care

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:14 AM   #70
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Starla mad because free government health care. AND Starla made because no free health care
Yeah, that made a lot of sense. I'm tired of wasting my time trying have any real discussion here. Your posts are like trying to make sense with a three year old.

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:27 AM   #71
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No one said that the penalties apply to those on or below the poverty line. We need to think about what kind of care people will get, as well as solving the financial issues.

Here's a novel idea...... quit funding these endless wars, and gee, maybe we can put that money into health care and education.
Just 1 2 3 stop. War over. Vets home and working and adjusted. Dust off hands. Good job everybody.


It's as simple as that.

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:29 PM   #72
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I'm subsidizing (through my private plan) the emergency care of people who go without insurance. Every time they go to the emergency room I pay for it in higher premiums and fees.

the reason private insurance costs so much today is in large part because people like your friend are not buying into the system.
Really because they've paid every medical bill they've ever received. What jerks!

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:30 PM   #73
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Starla mad because free government health care. AND Starla made because no free health care
Seriously - worst poster on here. Can't even have any sort of discussion, yet keeps trying.

Die in a fire.

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:37 PM   #74
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Lol

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:38 PM   #75
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Really because they've paid every medical bill they've ever received. What jerks!
that's some great anecdotal evidence you've got there

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:02 PM   #76
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We've gotten away from a major point here. Papa John is a huge douchebag.

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:31 PM   #77
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Do people really call him Papa?

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:35 PM   #78
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where i'm from we call him papi

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:41 PM   #79
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n e 1 go to see breaking dawn 2 this week?!!!


 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:43 PM   #80
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We've gotten away from a major point here. Papa John is a huge douchebag.
And they pizza is nasty, thare racists, and they aginst abortion. holla

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:47 PM   #81
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:54 PM   #82
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nimrod, fact is if they get a major illness or suffer a major injury they will not be able to pay for it and society will. period. unless they are millionaires.

cancer, serious bone break, surgery, serious burns, organ trouble, mental health issues, serious infection, list goes on...

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:58 PM   #83
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even millionaires wouldn't necessarily be able to afford all of that

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:07 PM   #84
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yeah

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:32 PM   #85
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Don't eat chain franchise pizza. They all suck.

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:41 PM   #86
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i like papa johns. honorable mention to pizza hut deep dsh and russo's/new yorkers. next year i'm moving to the hipster district with all the local hipster pizzarias so i'll see if it really is zomg soo much better

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:48 PM   #87
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yeah papa johns has the best chain pizza by far

 
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:01 PM   #88
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all fast food chain pizza is bad, steer clear from all of it.

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:22 AM   #89
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fuckin hipster

 
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:52 AM   #90
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somehow I sided with RBG

 
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