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Old 08-11-2014, 06:37 PM   #151
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I think Adore is overproduced. There's too much going on in a lot of the songs.
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:35 PM   #152
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I think that I would have loved this had it been on Adore. Listening to it now, I'm definitely a little underwhelmed. Perhaps it will grow on me in time. I can see now why he left it off the album though.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:54 PM   #153
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It doesn't fit with the album at all.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:57 PM   #154
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I like it a lot more the second time around.

paranoid is the only person in this thread who knows what they're talking about

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 08:21 PM   #155
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The cause of robin williams' death.

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Old 08-11-2014, 08:24 PM   #156
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I like it. Probably more than the M2 version

I didn't expect to be like the greatest thing ever though

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:49 PM   #157
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I've been waiting for this for so long. There has just been so much hype and build up for this recording. I like it a lot, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit disappointed.

Should it have been on Adore? Probably.

Would it have been a number one hit? I doubt it.

My biggest beef is the end... Wish the strings or something would have came up in the mix. This version doesn't really climax the way it feels like it should.

Granted, there has been all this hype... Maybe the recording would have struck me much differently without said hype?

Still so happy to finally hear it. I do like it.

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:08 PM   #158
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The cause of robin williams' death.
too soon...

 
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:10 PM   #159
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Old 08-11-2014, 11:25 PM   #160
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this is pretty alright. doesn't justify the hype though.

and yeah, why the hell is it clipping like crazy. also, did he just plug an ovation directly into the soundboard, because that's what it sounds like. awful.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:01 AM   #161
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why the hell is it clipping like crazy
because its 2014.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:30 AM   #162
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I'm definitely a love-everything-about-Adore guy, but this track was a bit disappointing. Not because of hype yielding an underwhelming end, but because the track just isn't very good.

-The sloppy drum fills are messy, random, unnecessary, and completely out of place from anything else of the Adore era

-The track feels like it should be building up to a climax, but it just sort of ends all of a sudden, like there wasn't an idea from anyone in the studio about where to go with it

-It ultimately sounds like a polished demo

Those three things given, there's no way it fits on Adore. And if what we're hearing now is what they were listening to in the studio before deciding what did and didn't fit on Adore, it's pretty clear that Let Me Give the World to You had absolutely no place on the album. It was awesome to hear something from my favorite era, though. I'm still looking forward to the box set.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:37 AM   #163
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Also, it's still unthinkable how bad has singing is now compared to then. It sounds like he layed down the Let Me Give the World to You vocals in five minutes... maybe just a place-holder until a more rehearsed take that never materialized. And yet, it sounds pretty good. Raw, but good.

Compare that to his soft singing in 2014. His current-day dropped consonants and terribly-executed vibrato and failed lounge-singer idiosyncrasies are such a mess. I don't see why he can't just sing simple again, like on this track.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:50 AM   #164
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i don't know what the "official" track was before this, but the spacey acoustic track (assuming that was it) sounded a lot better

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 01:28 AM   #165
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it was the M2 version

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 02:38 AM   #166
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Old 08-12-2014, 03:53 AM   #167
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The cause of robin williams' death.
Another classic Netphoria moment. Thumbs up.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:31 AM   #168
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It's fantastic to finally hear this.

Lmgtwty has always been one of my favorite Pumpkins songs so I've been eagerly awaiting this one. It sounds pretty nice and good but I think I prefer the M2 version. This version sounds more emotional and strikes a greater nerve, but the M2 version has such a great atmospheric vibe. Billy really nailed the guitar work for the M2 version.

You know, it's too bad he couldn't find a middle ground between this and the M2 version. Either way, it's a great take- But you can kind of hear why he built upon this for M2... But the M2 version lacks some of the charm that this one has.

The only really weak parts of this new track are the drums (it seriously does sound like a new Byrne remix or something) and that outro... It's such a prolific song in my mind and then the outro just has Billy repeating the same line over and over again without any new dynamics or melodies introduced. Just comes across as kind of lazy (for lack of a better term)... And you can hear on M2 how he wrote a MUCH better outro for this song.

I still can't believe this wasn't included on Adore though. Would have been way better than apples and oranges, annie dog, or tales of dusty and pistol pete

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 05:32 AM   #169
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Another classic Netphoria moment. Thumbs up.
Sure Cardiac, it was this beautiful take of LMGTWTY that caused Robin Williams death... ha....ha...ha...

Classic Netphoria moment tis not....

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 08:20 AM   #170
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underarranged – no doubt this would've had much more going on had they kept working on it for adore. i was expecting a fully-wrought recording, given the public statements about it over the years.

other observations: the drums change dynamic gears quite awkwardly, the vocal production is great but it's not a particularly passionate performance, guitar sounds like a guide track, synth strings stick out like a sore thumb.

nevertheless it's nice to finally hear it. not what i was expecting but it's pretty cool regardless. makes me want to go listen to adore

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 08:42 AM   #171
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Also, it's still unthinkable how bad has singing is now compared to then. It sounds like he layed down the Let Me Give the World to You vocals in five minutes... maybe just a place-holder until a more rehearsed take that never materialized. And yet, it sounds pretty good. Raw, but good.

Compare that to his soft singing in 2014. His current-day dropped consonants and terribly-executed vibrato and failed lounge-singer idiosyncrasies are such a mess. I don't see why he can't just sing simple again, like on this track.
The vocal performance on this version of LMGTWTY is pretty darn great.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:05 AM   #172
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-It ultimately sounds like a polished demo

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:17 AM   #173
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they tracked this in 1 day?
:shrug: I don't kno why people be fussing.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:24 AM   #174
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I really like it but would agree with a lot of the comments.

I think I was expecting (hoping) for a song in a similar vein to Saturnine and Blissed & Gone, from the era. Maybes Billy'll dumbfound us and produce another, more electronic, version for the Box!

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 09:39 AM   #175
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Also, it's still unthinkable how bad has singing is now compared to then. It sounds like he layed down the Let Me Give the World to You vocals in five minutes... maybe just a place-holder until a more rehearsed take that never materialized. And yet, it sounds pretty good. Raw, but good.

Compare that to his soft singing in 2014. His current-day dropped consonants and terribly-executed vibrato and failed lounge-singer idiosyncrasies are such a mess. I don't see why he can't just sing simple again, like on this track.
This.

Can't believe how blah sounding this turned out to be. Probably like a lot of people I expected something more drawn out and epic sounding, especially with the beginning and build-up, ala the few full-band live performances we have from that era. This sounds like a demo, nothing more. Why did Rick Rubin need to be called in to produce this?

Cool to hear and a really great vocal take, but damn...

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:16 AM   #176
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I'm definitely a love-everything-about-Adore guy, but this track was a bit disappointing. Not because of hype yielding an underwhelming end, but because the track just isn't very good.

[. . .]

-It ultimately sounds like a polished demo
Yeah this is where I've landed. Love the song, not really loving this version of it, and it just doesn't feel finished. I'd built it up in my head as this perfectly produced pop masterpiece but the track sounds like it just wasn't as far along in the process as we'd thought before they decided it wasn't going to fit on the album and stopped working on it.

It's not terrible; I'm sure I'll listen to it a bunch more once the full box set is out. I think I'm just pissed that it sounds a lot closer to a definitive recording than the M2 version (for me anyway) but just isn't quite there.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 10:48 AM   #177
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is there an effect on the vocals?

 
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I'd built it up in my head as this perfectly produced pop masterpiece but the track sounds like it just wasn't as far along in the process as we'd thought before they decided it wasn't going to fit on the album and stopped working on it.
these long lost songs never live up to their own hype in the end. like when courtney love kept hyping up You Know You're Right as some long lost nirvana masterpiece. then it came out and was alright thats it.

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:42 PM   #179
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Has it been confirmed anywhere that Waronker played the drums on this?

 
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Old 08-12-2014, 12:45 PM   #180
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After hearing the Machina version and now the Adore version it definitely sounds like it belongs more to the Machina era. Initially, after hearing the various live versions and demos, I didn't like it, nor did I understand the hype around it. Now I think I like the Machina version better.

 
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