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Old 09-16-2018, 05:43 PM   #1
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Red face Inkless Original Mix appreciation thread

never even seen this mentioned 'til Shadaloo brought it to my attention the other day. apparently this was the b-side to The Celestials. It's a very raw, hot mix of Inkless which blows the album version out of the water (I'm thinking the master made the whole album sound a bit more muffled and less hot than this).

Unfortunately the rawer mix still can't fix how awkward and wrong Mike Byrne's drumming is especially during the bridge/solo part, but this takes a mediocre to good song and makes it sound like a fuckin awesome one. another victim of billy's production


 
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:06 PM   #2
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It's in mono?

This song would be great with Jimmy tbh

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:18 PM   #3
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It's in mono?

This song would be great with Jimmy tbh
I know. That's exactly what I said... it would be interesting to revisit a track like this with the correct drummer there. Mike's work in this song is just embarrassingly out of place

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:19 PM   #4
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Wow, this is surprisingly good. Way better than the album version. If only Billy could stop ruining songs when it comes to their album release. If only Jimmy drummed on this.

Billy needs to go back and just record these songs with JC and make sure the production is raw. Then he'll have something.

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:21 PM   #5
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Does anyone have a lossless rip of this?

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:21 PM   #6
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I have no idea if it is supposed to be in mono or if the uploader did something wrong. I don't know where else to listen to this track since spotify doesn't have the single

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 10:49 PM   #7
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This is really great. I’ve always loved this song; it’s probably my favorite off of Oceania and this raw track makes it even better. You can hear all the guitar licks a lot better. Would be amazing if they were to re-record it with Jimmy.

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:31 PM   #8
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You are most welcome. Gotta admit, I've been revisiting it every now and then too.

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:49 PM   #9
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Mike Byrne did not deserve to be anywhere near professional recording equipment. Fucking awful drummer.

 
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Old 09-16-2018, 11:51 PM   #10
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Maybe in a few months once I get a proper setup I'll see about getting a lossless rip done if it hasn't been by then. Single's cheap as hell.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:03 AM   #11
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If Billy would spend an afternoon ripping through some Oceania tracks with Jimmy in the studio, I'd buy it.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:15 AM   #12
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Corgan being buried in the mix sounds great

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:56 AM   #13
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This is upsetting.

Vocals sound a million times better buried beneath the guitar.

It also sounds way louder because of it, negating any need for “loud-at-any-volume” clipping.

But Bill says it’s the modern way, and he’a had SUCH fucking success selling records by floating his vocals over the last 15 years. So he should know.
Nothing to do with his own ego, no sir.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 03:31 AM   #14
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Strong Zwan vibes.


The drums sound awful though...it's so two-dimensional all the time.

Billy should let Jimmy re-record all drum tracks.




 
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Old 09-17-2018, 06:26 AM   #15
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Good find. Therein lies a major problem with Billy. He can listen to this and think it needs more polish and the vocals brought out in the mix

It's like with Machina 2. Corgan is correct obviously in saying that it was released in an unfinished state. But what will he regard as finished? He'll ruin the songs if he drenches them in production. I mean, Speed Kills on M2 is a good song but the only version to get an official release (either as a bonus track on the Japanese version of Machina, or possibly a b-side to the SIYL single, forget which) is overdone IMO.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 07:57 AM   #16
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Does anyone have a lossless rip of this?
Yes, I ripped this when it came out originally. I have to look for it.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:08 AM   #17
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This is upsetting.

Vocals sound a million times better buried beneath the guitar.

It also sounds way louder because of it, negating any need for “loud-at-any-volume” clipping.

But Bill says it’s the modern way, and he’a had SUCH fucking success selling records by floating his vocals over the last 15 years. So he should know.
Nothing to do with his own ego, no sir.
Yeah it pretty much just proves to me that the talent is still there

Current Pumpkins issues are totally self inflicted because of his ego and obsession with being relevant again

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 09:40 AM   #18
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I don't think Byrne's drums sound that bad. Though certainly Chamberlin would sound better.

Maybe they should re-record this with the "new" lineup. Pass it as a new track. No one would notice, cuz only 3 or 4 people actually bought Oceania (according to Bruce Corgan).

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:37 AM   #19
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It's like with Machina 2. Corgan is correct obviously in saying that it was released in an unfinished state. But what will he regard as finished? He'll ruin the songs if he drenches them in production. I mean, Speed Kills on M2 is a good song but the only version to get an official release (either as a bonus track on the Japanese version of Machina, or possibly a b-side to the SIYL single, forget which) is overdone IMO.
horrible example. Speed Kills is an era highlight, specifically the version from the SIYL single

Blue Skies Bring Tears, however, was truly ambushed in the studio. That Arising version trumps all

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:07 PM   #20
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Song is crap. - WE can how Jimmy lifted up Silvery with his great fills.

Inkless is just bad - boring

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:09 PM   #21
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re-record a recorded album? oceania was a disaster - don´t blame byrne u idiots.
Billy writes the songs.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:13 PM   #22
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that song is unlistenable

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:03 PM   #23
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This "hot" version is a lot better than the Oceania version. The "wall of guitar" sound is satisfying, and the vocals benefit from being buried.

 
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Song is crap. - WE can how Jimmy lifted up Silvery with his great fills.

Inkless is just bad - boring
I'd take either version of Inkless over Silvery Sucktimes any day.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 03:35 PM   #25
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I'd take either version of Inkless over Silvery Sucktimes any day.
Careful guys, there’s an edgy Oceania fan over here.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:21 PM   #26
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I'd take either version of Inkless over Silvery Sucktimes any day.
Honestly, I can believe I'm saying this, but I agree. And I ain't an Oceania fan by any means.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:33 PM   #27
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That weird little MBV-ish compressed guitar around the 2-minute mark is sweet as hell, did that even make it to the album version? Cos I don't remember it at all, if so, but ya this is a bit more flattering to the song than the album mix in general I suppose, which I guess even boll-boll couldn't deny considering it got an official release

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:26 PM   #28
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re-record a recorded album? oceania was a disaster - don´t blame byrne u idiots.
Billy writes the songs.
Truth. People said this about Solara. That the mix was bad and that's all that was wrong with it. No, the mix doesn't make a poorly written song suddenly good.

 
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:29 PM   #29
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Old 09-17-2018, 06:57 PM   #30
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Best song on Oceania. Just sounds like a mono mix. I thought Byrnes drums were ok on it.

 
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