Lostprophets singer Ian Watkins facing six child sex offence charges

[Kahlo]

Yeah. I hate my friends, and myself for posting it.

[Trotskilicious]

you know just the other day i was sickened by a joke about the school shooting but i'm not as offended by that

even though i absolutely hate pederasts and they are probably the only criminals i think should be executed

[cocksure]

The 35-year-old, whose band have sold more than 3.5 million albums worldwide, is alleged to have conspired with another woman to rape a one-year-old girl, Cardiff magistrates heard.

eh. victimless crime. she wouldn't remember it would she

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

even though i absolutely hate pederasts and they are probably the only criminals i think should be executed

in germany this is a populist demand usually made by neo-nazis. you can see it in old german fonts on the back of automobiles. glad to know where you stand, ass.

[Rider]

Originally Posted by cocksure

in germany this is a populist demand usually made by neo-nazis. you can see it in old german fonts on the back of automobiles. glad to know where you stand, ass.

Huh?

[cocksure]

Huh?

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by cocksure

eh. victimless crime. she wouldn't remember it would she

Originally Posted by cocksure

in germany this is a populist demand usually made by neo-nazis. you can see it in old german fonts on the back of automobiles. glad to know where you stand, ass.

pretty stupid series of posts

you're gross

it's good to know you're out there protecting the rights of child rapists because you're scared of nazis

[Kahlo]

If it isn't obvious by now cocksure has some kind of aggressive personality disorder.

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

pretty stupid series of posts

you're gross

it's good to know you're out there protecting the rights of child rapists because you're scared of nazis

first one wasn't entirely serious although it might be worth thinking about.
second one was because i can't believe you support the death penalty under any circumstances. the nazi thing isn't entirely off. watch M by fritz lang and tell me what you think.

oh and i'm pretty chill in real life

[Trotskilicious]

how does that have anything to do with nazism

[Trotskilicious]

are germans generally terrified of doing anything because they think hitler's coming back if they have opinions

[smashingjj]

Just cause you were begging for my opinion on this matter: here it's also very common for uninformed, lower class, right wing voters to scream for castration or death (by all kinds of means) when there are paedoph-isles involved, but it's usually a very uninformed kind of justice those people want. They're getting riled up after having heard something in the media. Personally that kind of thing is always very tiring to me. I mean we have a jurisdiction system for a reason. Everyone should be allowed a fair trial. Maybe that was what cocksure was refering to.

Having said that, of course I think big crimes call for big means of punishment, and some people get away with for instance a short prison time after severe crimes here. Nonetheless, no matter how awful the crime is, I'm never in favour of death penalty. Also, apart from the things he actually did do, the guy just 'conspired', right? I mean that sounds pretty horrible, but you can't put someone in jail for having certain thoughts.

[Trotskilicious]

that's all well and good but i don't need some kind of hyperbole about how i'm a neo nazi

[smashingjj]

i'm sure he didn't mean that, herr führer.

[Trotskilicious]

also i don't want to deny them due process

just if they are found to be pederasts can we at least lock them up for life

[cocksure]

dude i didnt call you a nazi, i thought you saw through my posting style by now, T

and yep smashingjj, thats what i meant. "death penalty for child molesters" is some of the worst populism (unreflected overreaction) out there

[Trotskilicious]

i reflect on everything

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by cocksure

eh. victimless crime. she wouldn't remember it would she

Originally Posted by cocksure

first one wasn't entirely serious although it might be worth thinking about.

just because the child wouldn't have episodic memory of it doesn't mean it wouldn't affect him or her. trust gets established early in life, not to mention physical damage to the child. it is likely the child would have attachment issues at least. i cant believe you wrote these posts.

[Trotskilicious]

i can't believe you took them at face value

[Rider]

Originally Posted by cocksure

watch M by fritz lang and tell me what you think.

Huh?

[Rider]

Originally Posted by smashingjj

Just cause you were begging for my opinion on this matter: here it's also very common for uninformed, lower class, right wing voters to scream for castration or death (by all kinds of means) when there are paedoph-isles involved, but it's usually a very uninformed kind of justice those people want. They're getting riled up after having heard something in the media. Personally that kind of thing is always very tiring to me. I mean we have a jurisdiction system for a reason. Everyone should be allowed a fair trial. Maybe that was what cocksure was refering to.

Having said that, of course I think big crimes call for big means of punishment, and some people get away with for instance a short prison time after severe crimes here. Nonetheless, no matter how awful the crime is, I'm never in favour of death penalty. Also, apart from the things he actually did do, the guy just 'conspired', right? I mean that sounds pretty horrible, but you can't put someone in jail for having certain thoughts.

Conspiracy is way beyond having "certain thoughts".

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i can't believe you took them at face value

i wasnt going to until he posted that it was worth thinking about

[emotionalfriend]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

even though i absolutely hate pederasts and they are probably the only criminals i think should be executed

What's a pederast, Walter?

[Trotskilicious]

Shut the fuck up, Donny.

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by reprise85

just because the child wouldn't have episodic memory of it doesn't mean it wouldn't affect him or her. trust gets established early in life, not to mention physical damage to the child. it is likely the child would have attachment issues at least. i cant believe you wrote these posts.

i dunno. i'm not convinced. physical damage - sure, that would be pretty bad. but how exactly do you arrive at attachment issues without memory? i really am a little curious because this seems to be at the base of certain psychotherapeutical premises and i wonder what our board shrink would have to say about it

[cocksure]

Originally Posted by Rider

Huh?

it's a film? about a child molester? and vigilantism? shortly before the nazis took over? i don't get how you cannot see the connection here

[Trotskilicious]

it's rider he's not very bright

Cuntsure loves circumcision too

[noyen]

fantastic band. 9.4

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by cocksure

i dunno. i'm not convinced. physical damage - sure, that would be pretty bad. but how exactly do you arrive at attachment issues without memory? i really am a little curious because this seems to be at the base of certain psychotherapeutical premises and i wonder what our board shrink would have to say about it

Well, as far as attachment theory goes: the first attachment one has is to one's mother, as a general basis. If that mother is attentive, loving, and helpful (etc) and keeps one safe, one learns to trust other people as a basic outlook on life. Otherwise, one doesn't. That's the very basic premise I am assuming you are referring to. Of course that is very simplified.

Think about it this way - how do we arrive at where we do at any time, without memory? At what point did we start to build on, well, everything - our knowledge of this or that, our experiences of love or hate or humiliation or whatever - isn't that all built from before we are consciously aware it is being built?

There are literally thousands of studies that explore attachment. The original study that is most famous (though I forget the details of who did it and whatever) involves the "strange situation" in which infants of like 1 - 2 years are separated from a caregiver and their reactions are observed. I could go into this more but you should probably just read the paper.

And it is those with disorganized attachment who are more likely to grow up to have personality disorders, anxiety disorders, depression, etc etc - in general.

So I cannot specifically say, every child who gets raped at one will have attachment problems. But it is also fair to say someone who goes through that, probably has a higher than likely chance of having other things going on (like i'd find it easy to believe that one of the co-conspirators in this case is a parent or family member). And a child who has disorganized or ambivilant or chaotic attachment has trouble getting pleasure vs anxiety, annoyance, anger, etc from personal relationships.

I am of course not a shrink and this is very basic and I would not pretend to be able to summarize why attachment theory makes sense or that it 100% does always and completely because that is unlikely.