i'm listening to zeitgeist for masochistic reasons

[Caine Walker]

[samuel redman]

i listen to Zeitgeist a lot. It's really good.

[Dogfighter28]

redman I am extremely disappointed in you. I wanted nothing more than to take you under my wing but this is the last straw.

[samuel redman]

i guess

[Caine Walker]

shut the fuck up, byron.

[Dogfighter28]

damn i missed my 5k post partee

[samuel redman]

no one car

[Caine Walker]

ha!

[Caine Walker]

mm. neverlost really isn't a bad song.

[Dogfighter28]

i tried to sit through zeitgeist about 2 months ago. i was going through a SP kick and I ever liked Machina a lot while listening to it. I was pumped for the big Z, but about 4 songs in I felt physically sick.

and redman, there is still hope. if you wish to become a member of the board elite repent now.

[Dogfighter28]

del

[samuel redman]

i'm just a Pumpkins fan, Byron

[Gossamer]

Yeah but Zeigeist sucks.

I'd rather listen to Zwan.

[Forgotten Child]

neverlost is the best song from Z.

[Dogfighter28]

Here's my second one

Nothing much has changed in the seven years since The Smashing Pumpkins broke up. Billy Corgan still cannot transfer a good song idea from live performance to studio to save his life. The terrible production that plagued Machina returns, but in a different form. While the guitars on that album were processed to death, Zeitgeist suffers from carelessly mixed vocals and drums. Instead of employing backup singers, Corgan overdubs his voice dramatically, leading to arrangements that overpower any worth the songs on Zeitgeist have in concert. Still, there are moments of hope and even enjoyment on this comeback album. The first half of the album contains uniformly pleasant songs that are marred by terrible production, but "Bleeding the Orchid" and "United States" manage to shine through as examples of Corgan's craft. The latter contains a drum and guitar breakdown that will leave you breathless. The second half of the album contains some cringeworthy songs, most notably the terrible "Pomp and Cirumstances". This album held promise in my heart since I heard the bootleg of their first show back in seven years, but until The Smashing Pumpkins get a producer in the vein of Butch Vig or Flood to produce an album in full, fans will be restricted to catching glimpses of light through Corgan's visionary muck.

And I've sort of flipped flop from that even. United States is gay.

[Floppy Nono]

neverlost sucks idk why people like it so much. does anyone like try try try? i feel the same animosity towards that song.

[Caine Walker]

Originally Posted by Floppy Nono

neverlost sucks idk why people like it so much.

because it's actually kinda good.

[Ugly]

"Neverlost" = not a fan. I think "Pomp and Circumstances" has the best guitar solo Corgan has put down in a decade.

[dean_r_koontz]

fuck me iäm going to have to listen to this record. the futureembrace is looming in the back of my head as is the zwan debut.

[Dogfighter28]

Have your opinions never changed brah? I know five years ago I was listening to boring white bread indie rock and I won't touch that shit now. Having an album fall out of grace with your ears isn't that monumental an event.

[Caine Walker]

Originally Posted by Dogfighter28

Having an album fall out of grace with your ears isn't that monumental an event.

i disagree.

[dean_r_koontz]

doomsday clock sounds ok

[dean_r_koontz]

the billy choruses are a bit odd

[dean_r_koontz]

the bridge seems disjointed from the rest of the song. lazy songwriting

[dean_r_koontz]

man these songs are just as exhausting as the machina stuff. there's nothing for the ears to hold on to

[dean_r_koontz]

more weird billy choruses on bleeding the orchid and the dreaded quiver delivery in the vocals which got an even more prominent position in the chris isaak hour performances (and i suppose elvsewhere as well)

[dean_r_koontz]

still this music is just as frustrating as billy other work during the last decade. you hear and sense snippets of brilliance here and there but it's just too diluted by shit to have any real impact or intrigue you to listen again.

[dean_r_koontz]

that's the way my love is has that kiddy fiddler vibe of song slike try,try,try and it reminds me of michael jackson.

[dean_r_koontz]

tarantula sounds like it's composed of three or four different parts that doesn't really fit together but sound decent on their own. some cool stuff wasted. more cringeworthy love stuff

[dean_r_koontz]

starz sounds like more sludge mixed up with some freakish 7 dwarfs chorus work. is this is good song? i can't decide there is some cool stuff here.