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08-11-2014, 04:23 PM | #121 |
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hey thanks
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08-11-2014, 04:26 PM | #122 |
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08-11-2014, 04:31 PM | #123 | |
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That first fill that sticks out like a sore thumb to some people is misleading because it's acting as a pick-up beat. If you listen to the rest of the song I think the fills are great and fast and sound like regular fills. The song's tempo is being dictated electronically so I'm sure it was difficult to get the live drums timing just right, especially during the fills, which is why the fills sound so restrained later on. Some drummers will accent the fill as a new measures beginning but here the drum fills are muted and a pickup beat is the most accented. I don't know a whoooole lot about drumming (obviously) but anyone who says the drums are "wrong" on this track is a total moron. |
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08-11-2014, 04:33 PM | #124 |
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I'll admit that it first jumped out at me when listening over a phones speaker, but once I got home and put on headphones, the seperation of the two drum tracks was obvious and it all made total sense. I didn't even question it a 2nd time.
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08-11-2014, 04:36 PM | #125 | |
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So we did get a more clean version of the live recording though. |
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08-11-2014, 04:38 PM | #126 |
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the drums aren't wrong. they just don't do a whole lot to help sustain the momentum.
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08-11-2014, 04:39 PM | #127 |
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They are playing, almost ridiculously, to a click track. To the point that the song seems kind of pasted together. Rubin should've gone more with letting the band play, as they do in the live versions.
Waronker has been Beck's drummer for forever now and his playing on this LMGTWTY is very reminiscent of his work on Sea Change. Here's him letting loose on PBS. |
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08-11-2014, 04:39 PM | #128 |
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i thought the towers of rabble demo was supposedly thrown out along with the gospel version of jupiter's lament because BC didnt like it
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08-11-2014, 04:40 PM | #129 |
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The more I listen to it, the more the buried keyboard is starting to sound like a quiet harmonica.
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08-11-2014, 04:41 PM | #130 |
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08-11-2014, 04:41 PM | #131 |
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08-11-2014, 04:43 PM | #132 |
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as great as it is having this, it just doesn't sound finished in this incarnation. Billy was right to hold off and finish it properly for Machina 2.
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08-11-2014, 04:44 PM | #133 | |
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08-11-2014, 04:44 PM | #134 |
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in 1998 incorporating electronic music with live band recordings always forced drummers to follow the click track. This awkward juxtoposition always made it difficult to use both. today with beat mapping you can easily add electronic drums to a live drum take (free of click track).
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08-11-2014, 04:44 PM | #135 |
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Matt plays on TEITBITE not JC
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But I appreciate that something was dropped out of nowhere like this. |
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08-11-2014, 05:03 PM | #137 |
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I like the vocals and guitars better on this version. With better drumming it would have been a hit single of 1979 proportions. I like the rawness of this version compared to the overproduced sound on Adore. I wish the whole album sounded more like this.
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08-11-2014, 05:19 PM | #138 |
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Lol what? Sorry what versions are you talking about?
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08-11-2014, 05:23 PM | #139 |
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08-11-2014, 05:24 PM | #140 |
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Uh guys I'm pretty sure this song only has 1 drum track and it's live acoustic drums. That plodding beat you hear in the beginning is not electronic.. Waronker is playing a pretty straight forward Tom Tom groove, sort of reminiscent of SIYL but with less flare.
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08-11-2014, 05:29 PM | #141 |
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i swear i can hear some rhythmic bubbling thing creeping through here and there but i mentioned above i don't know jack about drumming.
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08-11-2014, 05:32 PM | #142 |
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wtf is TITBITER
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08-11-2014, 05:37 PM | #143 |
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08-11-2014, 05:42 PM | #144 |
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Ya- the mix is just shit and you can barely hear the toms.
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08-11-2014, 05:42 PM | #145 | |
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I love the subdued ending, btw. Underwhelming if compared to SPs other epic build ups, but this ending is pretty characteristic of adores sound and production. I remember feeling underwhelmed in that same way when I first heard adore. Crestfallen is probably the best example of a song lacking the grand dynamics that made the pumpkins great. But again with time I've learned to appreciate the different approach with adore. |
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08-11-2014, 05:43 PM | #146 |
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08-11-2014, 05:45 PM | #147 | |
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08-11-2014, 06:10 PM | #148 |
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I like it. It's nice. his voice sounds really good to me.
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08-11-2014, 06:23 PM | #149 |
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08-11-2014, 06:37 PM | #150 |
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