Somewhat Intense Breakdown Of Machina

[slunken]

Originally Posted by soniclovenoize

Yep, this is the way to do it. Then you can further narrow down what some of the songs are about, based on what Corgan has said...

- SIYL is meant to be when Glass first meets June, so it would be in the LOVE/GIRL plot point.
- the second half of G+TGC is about June's drug addiction. Thus it would appear in the LOSS OF BALANCE plot point.
- LMGTWTY is meant to be sarcastic, an anti-love song. Thus it would appear in the DESCENT plot point, possibly LOSS OF BALANCE.
- Speed Kills is when June dies. Thus it would appear in the DESCENT plot point.
- BSBT is supposed to be Glass's apocalyptic dream before he breaks up the band. Thus it would appear in the DESCENT or ALONE NEGATIVE plot points.
- With Every Light was meant to be the redemptive in which Glass finds peace, so it would end the album.

MY PERSONAL OPINION for some others:
- The Imploding Voice is the heavenly voice Glass hears on the radio, thus should be in the EPIPHANY plot point.
- Wound is describing Glass's personal turmoil and self doubt after hearing the voice on the radio (as mentioned in Corgan's synopsis), so should be in EPIPHANY, following directly after The Imploding Voice.
- Real Love and Raindrops + Sunshowers are is describing Glass attempting to balance his love of June with his own holy charge, so it would appear in CROSSROADS
- Dross is describing the fight between Glass and June, which happens right before she dies. This it should precede Speed Kills in DESCENT.
- HHM and Everlasting Gaze seem to be when Glass loses his faith after June dies, as described in Corgan's synopsis. So they would be in DESCENT or ALONE NEGATIVE
- I of the Mourning mentions blowing the dust off his guitar. Thus it would appear after the band breaks up in ALONE NEGATIVE plot point.
- Slow Dawn, Here's to the Atom Bomb and Try Try Try all seem to lyrically allude to the city streets, so I believe they all fit in the narrative when Glass is just an anonymous person on the streets, in ALONE NEGATIVE.

while i never agreed with your tracklist, I agree with most of this. But I think it makes a difference what version of BSBT, HTTAB, or Try we are talking about. Especially with BSBT, different version could be places at different times.

Studying the hero's journey (an extremely simple structure) really makes this an easy code to crack.

[teh b0lly!!1]

Originally Posted by slunken

the chart is also a perfect "hero's journey" story circle

ALIGNMENT WITH GOD

LOVE(GIRL)

CROSSROADS

DESCENT(LOSE GIRL)

[vajohna]

YouTube videos like that are silly but it’s also cool to me that I can just hear a bunch of rock songs in my car one day and the next day think about Billy being a maybe crazy genius, and the day after that thinking it’s all a bunch of dogshit. Like Star Wars. It’s part of the fun for me, a dumbass.

[slunken]

Originally Posted by teh b0lly!!1

ALIGNMENT WITH GOD

LOVE(GIRL)

CROSSROADS

DESCENT(LOSE GIRL)

quadrant 1: opening/worldview, epiphany/realization
quadrant 2: alignment with god, love/girl

(the transition between quads 2 and 3 is literally a "crossroads" and a "loss of balance" - this is the meat of the struggle)

quadrant 3: descent/lose girl, alone neg
quadrant 4: alone pos, peace

BACK TO START

[T&T]

it's clearly a trilogy.

either 5X3
or 15X3

guys, it's basic numerology

even the hero's journey is 12 steps. 3X4, not 4X3. jeez

[Ram27]

cross the plank. take the hero's journey. 4 3s make 5 4s.

[slunken]

you josh but it's a formula

[teh b0lly!!1]

4/3 ON 5/4 DO IT NOW

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by T&T

"the trial". - song totally sucks.

SHITTY OPINION ALERT

[soniclovenoize]

Originally Posted by slunken

But I think it makes a difference what version of BSBT, HTTAB, or Try we are talking about.

And that's basically the rub: finding the balance of what flows as an album, and what creates a narrative.

[Big Truck05]

I've officially gone down the rabbit hole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS0C0FjLCJo

[brothahi4L]

I do not give a warm pile of shit for a reissue of machinas...
I bet we do not get any album this year.

So see you in 2022

[Run To Me]

O brothahi4L

as hard as it is, rite now, for ffs, all of us,

pls do not be true of your own "see you" forecasts within your latest posting,

rather, stay around and post in the interim. we need insights, from your tub of warm water to ours

[Joey Goldberg]

the brothah is as fluid as said tub of water - no, more fluid even

he'll be back tomorrow singing the praises of the coming M reissues and maybe even having a set date for us

what's the date, b4l

what is the DATE

[wHATcOLOR]

Originally Posted by Big Truck05

I've officially gone down the rabbit hole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS0C0FjLCJo

woah. i'm sure i've made my thoughts on the whole concept clear, but this discussion is really great.

very well done, agree with a ton of it.

the only thing that didn't really land for me was that bit about a broken down version the MCIS piano part being in the middle of Glass and the Ghost Children. i just couldn't really hear it.

but the rest of it was really quite good. nice, detailed analysis. the spiders, etc. was not something i would have picked up on myself.

cool link, BigTruck05

[Big Truck05]

Originally Posted by wHATcOLOR

woah. i'm sure i've made my thoughts on the whole concept clear, but this discussion is really great.

very well done, agree with a ton of it.

the only thing that didn't really land for me was that bit about a broken down version the MCIS piano part being in the middle of Glass and the Ghost Children. i just couldn't really hear it.

but the rest of it was really quite good. nice, detailed analysis. the spiders, etc. was not something i would have picked up on myself.

cool link, BigTruck05

you're welcome!