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Old 12-11-2017, 05:04 PM   #1
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Default Corgan takes a look at the new Big Muff

Sounds amazing. I'm glad he hasn't sold that star covered guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osbnob9ih-c

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:09 PM   #2
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i felt like he should have played 15 seconds of a SD song instead of just dicking around the whole time.

but yeah it does sound good.

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:33 PM   #3
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i felt like he should have played 15 seconds of a SD song instead of just dicking around the whole time.

but yeah it does sound good.
cherub rock chorus @ 5:11

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Old 12-11-2017, 06:34 PM   #4
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:48 PM   #5
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Awesome video!

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:17 PM   #6
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Yeah it's annoying how he keeps half-teasing riffs

Still hasn't sold that SD strat either

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:46 PM   #7
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If there was ever a thread title that screamed for a photoshop this is it.

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:58 PM   #8
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Sweet moses. Give me one now.

I think part of the secret is to also use lace sensors.

ALSO LEARN TO EMBED


 
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Old 12-11-2017, 08:21 PM   #9
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I love how every studio story he tells is like "so and so said it wouldn't work but yea i showed 'em"

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 08:54 PM   #10
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At least he gave Catherine credit.

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:31 PM   #11
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Wheel?

 
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:46 PM   #12
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cool video. I bought a Big Muff in the mid 2000s to emulate Corgan and it sounds like shit. awful pedal, literally no presence, completely disappears when another guitar with different distortion (or any other instrument with an amplifier) is present. impossible to record. I figure Corgan found success with this because his rig costs $20k or whatever

 
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Old 12-16-2017, 12:17 AM   #13
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cool video. I bought a Big Muff in the mid 2000s to emulate Corgan and it sounds like shit. awful pedal, literally no presence, completely disappears when another guitar with different distortion (or any other instrument with an amplifier) is present. impossible to record. I figure Corgan found success with this because his rig costs $20k or whatever
Did you try layering overdubs with different settings on the tone control, like Billy demonstrated in the video?

This is the first I've heard of that particular aspect of the technique.

 
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:27 AM   #14
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Wata uses a Big Muff. That is all I need to know.

I fully support the pedal! I worship the Drone Goddess!

 
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:26 AM   #15
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NOW I believe Billy has turned a corner in his life. I never thought I'd see him touch a Big Muff again let alone happily appear in a video for EHX.

 
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:52 AM   #16
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NOW I never thought I'd see him touch a Big Muff again
Courtney?













I’ll get my hat.

 
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:35 AM   #17
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KEEP RUNNING YOUR MOUTH OFF AND HE WILL PUNCH YOUR LIGHTS OUT

 
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:19 AM   #18
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cool that he's not fat anymore

 
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Old 12-15-2017, 06:33 AM   #19
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NOW I believe Billy has turned a corner in his life. I never thought I'd see him touch a Big Muff again let alone happily appear in a video for EHX.
You never thought Billy would take a giant pile of cash to sit down for twenty minutes and film a promo

 
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Old 12-15-2017, 12:25 PM   #20
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You never thought Billy would take a giant pile of cash to sit down for twenty minutes and film a promo
Not to be associated with the Big Muff again.

We're on the road to reuinion-town, people.

 
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:50 AM   #21
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NOW I believe Billy has turned a corner in his life. I never thought I'd see him touch a Big Muff again let alone happily appear in a video for EHX.
There was a Twitter post from I think earlier this year, though maybe last year, that showed Billy's acoustic tour pedal board, and on it was a Muffuletta, which is a pedal that includes the circuits for a bunch of different Big Muff versions, with those circuits being selectable via a knob.

http://pedals.thedelimagazine.com//w...etta-00031.jpg



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cool video. I bought a Big Muff in the mid 2000s to emulate Corgan and it sounds like shit. awful pedal, literally no presence, completely disappears when another guitar with different distortion (or any other instrument with an amplifier) is present. impossible to record. I figure Corgan found success with this because his rig costs $20k or whatever
I also bought one of those re-issue NYC Muffs that were being sold around then, and that one is pretty different sounding from the op-amp Muff that classic SP uses.

I put together a clone kit of the op-amp Muff, from BYOC: https://buildyourownclone.com/produc...er-opamp-kit-1

I also custom added a mid-scoop toggle switch, which some of the originals had. It sounds very classic SP - more easily instantly so through a Les Paul with 490R / 498T pickups than through a strat. A lot of that thick-bodied sizzle and growl on the album is coming from the Les Paul humbuckers. And if wanting Billy's SD strat sound, then the Lace Sensors have to be set up the correct way. I might make a thread about that.

The Univox Superfuzz was also used a lot on SD, according to a couple people who worked on the album. One reference for that is here: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/show...1&postcount=31

And there are a couple other places where it was mentioned, though I don't immediately recall where.

The MXR Distortion II was used together with an op-amp Muff for solos, according to Billy's "stompland" pedal video.

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Old 12-18-2017, 03:26 PM   #22
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There was a Twitter post from I think earlier this year, though maybe last year, that showed Billy's acoustic tour pedal board, and on it was a Muffuletta, which is a pedal that includes the circuits for a bunch of different Big Muff versions, with those circuits being selectable via a knob.
On his acoustic pedalboard

What's the deal with the lace sensor setup too? The red bridge pickup has a similar output to a humbucker from what I've read, so it wouldn't be surprising if normal single coils can't do the SD thing. I've tried it and it sounds like ass.

 
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On his acoustic pedalboard

What's the deal with the lace sensor setup too? The red bridge pickup has a similar output to a humbucker from what I've read, so it wouldn't be surprising if normal single coils can't do the SD thing. I've tried it and it sounds like ass.
I just came across the post again with his pedal board with the Muffuletta on it:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDgx27Gh87I/

Also, Jeff's pedal board:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDgx_iwh87f/


The post is from March 2016, so, during the In Plainsong tour.



Found 'em here:

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/in...#post-21673654

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Old 12-19-2017, 06:28 PM   #24
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There was a Twitter post from I think earlier this year, though maybe last year, that showed Billy's acoustic tour pedal board, and on it was a Muffuletta, which is a pedal that includes the circuits for a bunch of different Big Muff versions, with those circuits being selectable via a knob.

http://pedals.thedelimagazine.com//w...etta-00031.jpg





I also bought one of those re-issue NYC Muffs that were being sold around then, and that one is pretty different sounding from the op-amp Muff that classic SP uses.

I put together a clone kit of the op-amp Muff, from BYOC: https://buildyourownclone.com/produc...er-opamp-kit-1

I also custom added a mid-scoop toggle switch, which some of the originals had. It sounds very classic SP - more easily instantly so through a Les Paul with 490R / 498T pickups than through a strat. A lot of that thick-bodied sizzle and growl on the album is coming from the Les Paul humbuckers. And if wanting Billy's SD strat sound, then the Lace Sensors have to be set up the correct way. I might make a thread about that.

The Univox Superfuzz was also used a lot on SD, according to a couple people who worked on the album. One reference for that is here: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/show...1&postcount=31

And there are a couple other places where it was mentioned, though I don't immediately recall where.

The MXR Distortion II was used together with an op-amp Muff for solos, according to Billy's "stompland" pedal video.

I appreciate reading these kinds of posts even though I don't know 90% of what's going on. I feel like I'll eventually learn something!

 
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:59 PM   #25
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I took a look at your moms big muff last night

 
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Old 12-22-2017, 12:42 AM   #26
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allow me to demo this pedal for u

 
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:40 AM   #27
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On his acoustic pedalboard

What's the deal with the lace sensor setup too? The red bridge pickup has a similar output to a humbucker from what I've read, so it wouldn't be surprising if normal single coils can't do the SD thing. I've tried it and it sounds like ass.
Yeah, it was on his acoustic pedal board, I guess maybe from some Zuzu's performance. Now that I think about it a bit more, I think it was an Instagram post by JHS Pedals - that, or they commented on it, or re-posted it...

I just did a bit of a search for it, but couldn't find it.


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you need lace sensors if you want the SD tone.
Also, minimum 500k pots on the volume and tone controls. I think 1 Meg pots should be used for the volume control.

Single-coil strats normally have 250k pots in them, and that makes the Lace Sensors way too dark-sounding, and not very pleasant or usable, IMO.


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I bought one after hearing your recordings with it, and it really is amazing. I love that pedal!


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Sweet. It sounds really interesting. I might get one, even though I already have 2 clones of the op-amp Muff.

The EHX reissues usually sound a bit... less when compared directly to the originals. For example, the Small Stone, and the Russian Big Muff, both have small deficiencies in their sound when compared to the originals of those pedals. The Small Stone Nano just has slightly less deep, less colourful tone, and the Russian Big Muff Nano doesn't have as much wavyness in the distortion as the original does, which I think is one of its best qualities.

I'll be interested to see if someone makes a true original vs reissue comparison of the op-amp Muff.

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Cool. I like the technical details, as well.

 
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:34 AM   #28
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Look at the YouTube comments...this video is a hit.

 
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:48 AM   #29
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Thin Billy playing riffs on his Siamese Dream Strat with a Bg Muff while talking nostalgically about James Iha and Catherine. I do believe pigs started flying.

The ring is probably the only thing that would remind me this video came out in 2017.

 
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while talking nostalgically about James Iha and Catherine.

...feat. D'Arcy >>>



 
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