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08-26-2017, 12:26 AM | #181 |
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Dudes did u know this guy jellie knows fuckton of about music?? Subtle effects even
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08-26-2017, 02:24 AM | #182 |
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Gonna be the milquetoast moderate and suggest it's a mix of a few factors. When I saw him on the Plainsong tour in Toronto he had moments where the old voice crept through here and there, and I remember being kind of pleasantly surprised but there were dropped consonants throughout the night. He can't and won't ever sing the way he used to again.
This is also the guy who's got a history of doing multiple vocal takes, taking preferred snippets of syllables and blending them together to create the sound he wants. I don't doubt that what we hear on LPs is what he wants us to hear. He could sound a bit closer to what we'd define as the classic voice. But he won't, partly because that's not what he wants to sound like and partially because he can't pull it off anymore. |
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08-26-2017, 05:36 AM | #183 |
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Either that or he realizes that you can only polish a turd so much before you realize it's a turd.
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08-26-2017, 06:39 AM | #184 | |
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This vocal performance was pretty nice: [best moment: 0:36] Flashback: Last edited by amoergosum : 08-26-2017 at 06:47 AM. |
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08-26-2017, 11:27 AM | #185 |
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I think James Iha should produce the next album
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08-26-2017, 11:48 AM | #186 |
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08-26-2017, 07:16 PM | #187 |
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Let's dissect Billy's vocals on Pennies. Well, just the last line.
"Pennies for sale" The "Pen-" is forced out of him, showcasing true emotion. Billy then uses his vibrato on "sale", but his voice is coming out harder and it's not so noticeable (plus the vocals are a lot lower in the mix). This line is repeated and please note the lack of "lover". Billy will never sing like this again. |
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08-26-2017, 08:58 PM | #188 | |
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With that said..... I also hated the first lead single off the last album. I couldn't stand Worlds On Fire but actually came to like quite a few songs off of 'Monuments' (despite the poor vocal showing)... So I'm trying to stay positive... But I'm really not expecting much. Last edited by fuzzyroes : 08-26-2017 at 09:12 PM. |
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08-26-2017, 09:06 PM | #189 | |
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Billy's never gonna come forward rationally to simply admit that he's struggling vocally due to his old age... Haven't you ever paid attention to Billy Corgan? |
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08-27-2017, 01:04 AM | #190 |
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He didn't add effects to his voice that would make it sound better. So he was happy without them. I'm not saying he "thinks it sounds great" (although he might), just that he clearly prefers it to be dry like that because he clearly could have made it less dry but decided not to.
I don't know how much clearer I can explain myself |
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08-27-2017, 02:19 AM | #191 | ||
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Starting @ 5:18, these are Billy's words, not mine: Quote:
The sad thing is, despite how bad Billy's voice sounded in the 90s it sounded golden then compared to how it sounds now. :/ |
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08-27-2017, 08:40 AM | #192 |
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It didn't sound bad in the 90s though. Even though it wasn't technically proper, it conveyed tons of emotion, which is really the goal for an alt rock shoegaze band
it's the James Iha of voices |
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08-27-2017, 01:10 PM | #193 | |
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Unfortunately his voice has only gotten worse over the years. I'm sure it's from a factor of age, sheer laziness, overconfidence and ego/surrounding himself with yes-men. Billy and Dave Mustaine are really examples of how a guy doesn't need to be even a decent singer to front an amazingly successful rock band. It's really amazing how much success they've had as singers despite each lacking the ability to sing well. |
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08-28-2017, 04:42 PM | #194 | |
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He had a mastery of "swapping roles" on stuff like Bullet or even Soma that few other big names from that period could have done. and even if they could have, they wouldn't have the personally-driven angst that drove those songs when Bill sang them anyway these days though, i'd be more than happy to hear him write for another (preferrably female) singer. A full album of like, Natalie Imbruglia singing Corgan songs as some 20-years-later follow-up to Identify or something would probably be pretty sweet |
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08-28-2017, 06:17 PM | #195 |
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To sort out his vocal performances Billy needs a producer who cares enough to be in tune with everything that made the 90s performances great.
Adore is a pretty stunningly performed record, huge conviction, accurate but emotive diction and use of the palette. But you listen to those performances and often he's barely rising above a whisper, there are lots of breaks, particularly in the lower register and lots of rough pronunciations but net effect is compelling. Which really was always his trick, heaps of air or lots of snarl and very little in-between. Unfortunately, Rubin doesn't appear interesting in pushing Billy on this and Billy is clearly not interesting on pushing himself on it. Age has nothing to do with it. He hasn't lost his voice. He isn't singing challenging parts (at least not on this new track) he's just not going for that tone. It's in there if he wants to access it but that's 99% of the trick. |
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08-28-2017, 06:49 PM | #196 | |
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08-28-2017, 08:19 PM | #197 |
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I've read somewhere the Rubin wanted Billy to kind of sit down, play and sing his new songs with a "live" approach. I can't see how that could be a bad thing having in mind that almost every album Billy's recorded since Machina were destroyed by overproduction.
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08-28-2017, 10:02 PM | #198 | |
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Was Pete Townshend 'fucking stupid', as you put it, to have Roger Daltry sing a vast majority of his songs? Or Tom Scholtz? Was he 'fucking stupid' for having Brad Delp sing his songs? I'm sure there are people out there who might thing they were 'fucking stupid' for doing so, but I'm also sure that there are a vast majority of people who feel that Townshend and Scholtz made the right choices. Just think how amazing "Bullet with Butterfly Wings", "Muzzle" or "The Everlasting Gaze" would have sounded with a good vocalist... instead, we got Billy, with his whiny, weak and nasally voice and for some strange reason people want to celebrate that. |
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08-28-2017, 10:58 PM | #199 |
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Billy was a good vocalist for those songs though. Music is not about technical ability so much as conveying emotion, and Billy did that incredibly
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08-28-2017, 11:24 PM | #200 |
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Bruh....
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08-28-2017, 11:34 PM | #201 |
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08-28-2017, 11:44 PM | #202 | |
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08-29-2017, 04:36 AM | #203 |
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It is not inflammatory to acknowledge that those songs are highly personal and the person who wrote them would likely have the most emotion invested in the songs and that would be conveyed in their voice. That would be true even no matter how terrible they sounded. Billy didn't sound terrible, but obviously not great. But his emotional connection to the songs is palpable
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08-29-2017, 05:22 AM | #204 |
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08-29-2017, 10:54 AM | #205 |
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i haven't found anyone on social media excited by this song
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08-29-2017, 12:02 PM | #206 |
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08-29-2017, 01:46 PM | #207 |
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08-29-2017, 01:56 PM | #208 | |
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08-29-2017, 02:54 PM | #209 |
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According to Strawberry's instagram he's shaved the beard.
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08-29-2017, 03:01 PM | #210 |
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absolutely groundbreaking
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