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[Trotskilicious]

i'm glad you're still doing weed tho

why don't you smoke drugs outside on the balcony

[FoolofaTook]

Thnx labelle.

trots there's a littlr balcony i will vape on at night. but there's a family next door with little kids. i just can't stand oit there pipe in hand.

i am about to get so sober.



(At least my highs will be epic tho due due to lower tolerance. best thing about cutting down: getting higher. lol stoners.)

[FoolofaTook]

Labelle's not really in Tokyo. She's lying!

[Trotskilicious]

what state are you in? new mexico? i bet you can smoke dope outside fine, just look out for the FBI & Jeff Sessions

[LaBelle]

I was not really in Arkham Asylum before either.

[Trotskilicious]

i don't live in I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship, Utah either

[FoolofaTook]

Man I'm in WASHINGTON dude.

I just really need to take a break. And the children. Remeber the precious children!

[FoolofaTook]

Utah is bomb. Bryce Canyon is like another world. And Zion is Epic.

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i don't live in I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship, Utah either

well i for one am precisely in the middle of roboplegic wrong-cock, you bunch of phonies.

[FoolofaTook]

That's probs the best thing about the usa for me: your national parks. they're pretty badass.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

Man I'm in WASHINGTON dude.

I just really need to take a break. And the children. Remeber the precious children!

weed is legal there and to hell with children they need to get tougher for their hellish adulthood in a burning planet full of nazis

[buzzard]

Originally Posted by Disco King

Like, I wouldn't be one of those weird white parents who make their kids start paying rent and buying their own groceries at age 18

How else will they save up for their elaborate cannabis paraphernalia or indeed any other race-specific economic foray?

[LaBelle]

That is me on my avatar though.

[Trotskilicious]

extremely same

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

any time you use good/better you're making a subjective argument based on your bias of being a person of your era. compare/contrasting history is against studying history. its like pop history or some other useless discipline entirely.

things were different then, i'm not using "worse" or "better"

do you have any idea about the history of written records and how short & limited & unreliable it is?

as far as i know war started getting bad in the 17th century (because of guns, actually) escalated in the 19th century and peaked with the world war era because of gunpowder, industrialization, mechinization & national drafts.

your basic medieval battle or siege was nothing compared to the trenches of the western front or Antietam or even Napoleonic battles.

When I say there are less casualties from war and violence, that is in relation to the population of the world at the time. The population in 1800 was something like 1.5 billion people. Before that, obviously much less. There is a lot of evidence, just going broadly, that life as a hunter-gatherer was much more dangerous and deadly than life after agriculture and the first governments.

The world wars were the most deadly in history, yes. But there were also many more people. When you adjust for world population they are somewhere down the line at 10th or 11th deadliest in history, on the scale of how many people per 100,000 died in war or the affects of war e.g. famines. More people died in the 20th century from war, but the percentage of the population that died in wars was very low compared to most if not all earlier centuries.

Is life better now? I don't know, but you're less likely to be a literal slave or die by violent means. That doesn't mean concentration camps didn't happen and people don't live like starving dogs in some places. And yes, governments that are democracies are much less likely to go to war against each other than against autocracies or whatever you'd call countries like Russia, pseudo-democracies.

I mean I'm half way through a tiny font 800 page tomb about all of this and it's pretty convincing, yes some of it is imperfect and statistics of prehistory are non-existant but obviously he did what he could.

You're the history dude and I respect everything you say but this is not an emotional argument, or an argument for capitalism. It's just an argument that the world is getting less violent.

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by reprise85

But there were also many more people. When you adjust for world population they are somewhere down the line at 10th or 11th deadliest in history, on the scale of how many people per 100,000 died in war or the affects of war e.g. famines.

oh my god

[Trotskilicious]

liberalism, it sucks

[reprise85]

why is it bad to put population in perspective? isn't a million people in a world of two million people dying a much bigger tragedy than one million in a world of 7 billion? genuine question

[Trotskilicious]

because its done in the service of apologizing for an exploitative, monstrous economic system

and i already said why i think this end of history stuff is stupid, these statistics you site don't mean anything to me

[Trotskilicious]

i can't conceptualize of why its important to point out that "wars are less deadly" are they? or are or weapons so terrifying that we don't even need to use them in order to pacify?

and what good does this do? to stick with capitalism because its done "so much for us" already? its grotesque reasoning.

[JESUSNEEDSAHIT]

trots i'm sorry but you are wrong or at least misguided in your thought process here. use per capita rates to measure homicide and disease is not a liberal scheme to apologize for an exploitative system. capitalism is just better than what has come before. that to thought doesn't mean it's great or that it isn't exploutative. but you seem to have an emotional investment in rejecting anything positive about the modern world. I also think things are going to change in the century next, but right now more people are living good safe lives than ever before in history. my family comes from a place that is very war torn and suffers many many extreme hardships throughout history. capitalism and democracy are not perfect but they have helped a lot of lives

i also recognize though that because your investment in this perspective is emotional you will not see my point or any one else's though

[JESUSNEEDSAHIT]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

and what good does this do? to stick with capitalism because its done "so much for us" already? its grotesque reasoning.

like I'm pretty sure not one person said this. you have inferred that the only reason to point out the relative peace of the current age is to protect capitalism or something but you are the only one having that argument

[JESUSNEEDSAHIT]

also the truth is no one is going to come along and have a revolution or overthrow capitalism, it is going to be raplaced slowly over a long period of time through an organic process of complex political and social changes like how hunting gathering economy turned to imperial economies which turned to feudalism and then capitalism/socialism

and communism is not what comes next, it will be a totally new thing

[JESUSNEEDSAHIT]

serious questions

does anyone else ever experience this when you click on rep you got to go to your comment, it brings you to a page where you have no posts?

[reprise85]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

because its done in the service of apologizing for an exploitative, monstrous economic system

and i already said why i think this end of history stuff is stupid, these statistics you site don't mean anything to me

I'm not apologizing for shit, just stating statistics that prove a point, something you are failing to do. People are just as exploited, in some cases more than ever, as they used to be. But they are not dead from war or violent crime at the rates they used to be.

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i can't conceptualize of why its important to point out that "wars are less deadly" are they? or are or weapons so terrifying that we don't even need to use them in order to pacify?

and what good does this do? to stick with capitalism because its done "so much for us" already? its grotesque reasoning.

Never said we should stick with capitalism or that our government is not exploitative. Nuclear weapons are terrifying but so were all 'modern' weapons at one point, including gunpowder and gas, and they didn't stop wars despite people thinking they were so terrible that war had to end or we would all be destroyed. Nuclear weapons obviously do have the power to destroy the planet and more importantly just our current existence is destroying the planet but that doesn't change the fact that the world is not as violent as it used to be.

[ohnoitsbonnie]

Originally Posted by JESUSNEEDSAHIT

trots i'm sorry but you are wrong or at least misguided in your thought process here. use per capita rates to measure homicide and disease is not a liberal scheme to apologize for an exploitative system. capitalism is just better than what has come before. that to thought doesn't mean it's great or that it isn't exploutative. but you seem to have an emotional investment in rejecting anything positive about the modern world. I also think things are going to change in the century next, but right now more people are living good safe lives than ever before in history. my family comes from a place that is very war torn and suffers many many extreme hardships throughout history. capitalism and democracy are not perfect but they have helped a lot of lives

i also recognize though that because your investment in this perspective is emotional you will not see my point or any one else's though

Where is your family from? Where are you from?

[fuzzyroes]

He's from Croatia.

His last user names was CROPUMPKINS

[fuzzyroes]

But Bram always bugged him all of the time so he came back with this stupid user name

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by JESUSNEEDSAHIT

like I'm pretty sure not one person said this. you have inferred that the only reason to point out the relative peace of the current age is to protect capitalism or something but you are the only one having that argument

why would you make up such an outrageous lie in the first place

[Trotskilicious]

Originally Posted by JESUSNEEDSAHIT

trots i'm sorry but you are wrong or at least misguided in your thought process here. use per capita rates to measure homicide and disease is not a liberal scheme to apologize for an exploitative system. capitalism is just better than what has come before. that to thought doesn't mean it's great or that it isn't exploutative. but you seem to have an emotional investment in rejecting anything positive about the modern world. I also think things are going to change in the century next, but right now more people are living good safe lives than ever before in history.

suuuuuuuuuuuuch craaaaaaaaaaaaaap