Dear Obama Supporters Who Claim to also be "Left-wing": Please Justify Yourselves

[jczeroman]

Seriously. I question whether it is even a fair to vote for Obama under a "lesser of two evils" argument. How is this man anything but a right-wing nut job?

So are you an Obama supporter / democratic party hack or are you a genuine left-wing ideologue, because they seem pretty mutually exclusive at the moment.

[Trotskilicious]

i think we already had this argument in some supreme court thread or another

however, I would like to ask why you, of all people, bandy about the term "ideologue" to refer to the political wing you don't agree with?

[MyOneAndOnly]

so you don't understand how someone could disagree with a politician on some things and still vote for them?

eyeroll

[Trotskilicious]

well when he's a civil rights crushing warmongering torture loving liar i dunno how you can just ignore it because gays

[duovamp]

I support him because he's a socialist.

[Trotskilicious]

lol by what definition

[duovamp]

By America's definition, the only one that matters.

[Trotskilicious]

oh so you mean "is not republican therefore communist"

[sppunk]

He's arguably done more to erase personal freedom than any president in history. The fact he's a warmonger is icing in his weird neo-con cake.

[Trotskilicious]

George W. Bush is on line 2 for sppunk.

[sppunk]

Yeah, Obama's policies again are arguably worse than his. As painful as it may be, these drone attacks, ability to hold citizens captive with no warrants, etc are devastating IMO.

[subzero]

what happened to nimrods son?

[Trotskilicious]

bush established the precedent for all that

i think it's only worse because "liberals" who used to care about this shit just push it to the side because gay marriage

[sppunk]

He didn't do the drone stuff in countless countries though, right? He didn't authorize the potential killing of US citizens by drone iirc. He's probably a better choice than Romney, but I can't cite for him again in good conscious.

[MyOneAndOnly]

any republican these 4 yrs would have done the same.

so what's the point? Obama bad, so vote for a republican war monger?

stupid

[Trotskilicious]

you're a fucking moron if you think i'm voting for anyone

[Trotskilicious]

i mean i just love in scotts idiot shadow world where everyone's as dumb as he is, that someone who won't vote for obama is voting for romney

you are a goddamn moron jesus

[Nimrod's Son]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

any republican these 4 yrs would have done the same.

so what's the point? Obama bad, so vote for a republican war monger?

stupid

just curious why you think romney is a war monger

i mean i'm no romney supporter and won't vote for either of these idiots but still

[Future Boy]

Originally Posted by scottytheoneand

stupid

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[Future Boy]

We went over this in Starlas thread on the gen board which was the main reason i stopped bumping the obamatard thread because it became clear how fucking hopeless it was.

[Future Boy]

http://forums.netphoria.org/showthread.php?t=172887

[Trotskilicious]

Oh, but the arrogant marxist brainswashed neo-libtards believe state rights must be a delusion. And they must do all they can to continue the Orwellian double-speak as their current fabain socialist god Obama does his best to brainwash the masses with his class envy rhetoric.

[jczeroman]

thread delivered.

[jczeroman]

I made this thread in part because I haven't lived in the US for such a long time and was shocked/appalled to see a bunch of Obama 2012 yard signs and bumperstickers when I visited this spring. I just wanted to know if people were really that stupid. I knew that the vast majority of republicans were willing to follow whoever made the loudest noise against godless socialists, but I would have thought that the eight year memory of Bush's policies, which Obama has effectively followed or expanded, would be fresh enough to cause actual left-wingers to go somewhere else. Maybe this merely confirms my suspicion that there really is almost no discernable left-wing in the US.

[jczeroman]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

however, I would like to ask why you, of all people, bandy about the term "ideologue" to refer to the political wing you don't agree with?

I meant that in a neutral way. And, I know this is going to sound incredible for those who have been here longer than three years or so, but it is no longer safe to assume that I don't agree with "the left."

[jczeroman]

Originally Posted by Future Boy

We went over this in Starlas thread on the gen board which was the main reason i stopped bumping the obamatard thread because it became clear how fucking hopeless it was.

I wasn't paying attention at this time, so it doesn't count. I now have time to kill while I wait for the universe to give me a job.

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by Trotskilicious

i mean i just love in scotts idiot shadow world where everyone's as dumb as he is, that someone who won't vote for obama is voting for romney

that's not what I said

[MyOneAndOnly]

Originally Posted by jczeroman

I made this thread in part because I haven't lived in the US for such a long time and was shocked/appalled to see a bunch of Obama 2012 yard signs and bumperstickers when I visited this spring. I just wanted to know if people were really that stupid. I knew that the vast majority of republicans were willing to follow whoever made the loudest noise against godless socialists, but I would have thought that the eight year memory of Bush's policies, which Obama has effectively followed or expanded, would be fresh enough to cause actual left-wingers to go somewhere else. Maybe this merely confirms my suspicion that there really is almost no discernable left-wing in the US.

your premise is bogus. You're stereotyping half of the electorate.

Many democrats agree with all or much of Obama's foreign policy. Most progressives and liberals are not single issue voters. They won't jump to another candidate on one or two issues.

[duovamp]

Originally Posted by sppunk

Yeah, Obama's policies again are arguably worse than his. As painful as it may be, these drone attacks, ability to hold citizens captive with no warrants, etc are devastating IMO.

Originally Posted by sppunk

He's arguably done more to erase personal freedom than any president in history. The fact he's a warmonger is icing in his weird neo-con cake.

Yeah but I mean it'd be a kind of shitty and baseless argument. Someone could argue any point, no matter how wrong.

[Order 66]

grover norquist is a right wing nutjob

liddy gordon is a right wing nutjob

ted nugent is a right wing nutjob

&ect ect

i won't get into another insipid WHY OBAMA DOES/DOESNT SUCK argument but obama's ideologies and politics are nowhere near "rightwing nutjob" territory