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03-04-2014, 12:13 AM | #151 |
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Anyone who worships at the altar of property rights is probably an asshole.
Not totally related but relevant I think. |
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03-04-2014, 12:16 AM | #152 |
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03-04-2014, 12:20 AM | #153 |
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Also, if you think the kinds of perfectly legal threats, intimidation, shunning, gossip and other kinds of protected speech do not harm someone's ability to 'participate fully in society' you are woefully ignorant of just how damaging, and deadly, homophobia, to pick one example out of many, has been in just the past few decades.
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03-04-2014, 01:36 AM | #154 |
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03-04-2014, 07:39 AM | #155 |
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03-04-2014, 07:40 AM | #156 | |
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you want to speak to me about the damage done by homophobia? as if i am clueless? go fuck yourself, dude. (and threats and intimidation, depending on context/circumstances, will not always be protected) |
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03-04-2014, 09:40 AM | #157 |
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libertarianism is an American political philosophy designed to advocate for the maintenance of economic, racial and gender segregation and oppression without using the traditional blatent vocabulary of oppression.
And the modern double speak they use is a real world manifestation of the type of shit Orwell warned about... "War is PEACE. Freedom is SLAVERY. Ignorance is STRENGTH." |
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03-04-2014, 10:20 AM | #158 |
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03-04-2014, 10:42 PM | #159 |
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I know that you aren't clueless about this. So are you willing to admit that you are wrong about your statement that 'Speech doesn't affect the right of another person to participate fully in society'? Because clearly even protected and legal speech has had exactly that effect.
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03-04-2014, 10:51 PM | #160 | |
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Someone holding up a god hates fags sign doesn't affect my ability to do anything (is it harmful? yes, obviously. not the point). A place of public accommodation refusing to serve me because I am gay does. Again, go fuck yourself. You're an asshole. How like you though to make some flippant comment about me being woefully ignorant of damage done by homophobia. The straight white male explaining to me how different sorts of bigotry and discrimination do/should affect me. Go fuck yourself. |
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03-04-2014, 11:02 PM | #161 |
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03-04-2014, 11:04 PM | #162 |
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hey look if you want to be a WASP in america, anyone can do it you just have to work twenty times harder to get there as we do
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03-04-2014, 11:04 PM | #163 |
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It's not philosophy. He's asking to apply a very general principle to a very specific situation (and when he tried to construct analogies to make it seem like I'm being unreasonable, he very clearly failed).
I'm beyond caring about his opinion at this point though. He can think I'm intellectually inconsistent if that makes him feel better about himself. |
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03-04-2014, 11:05 PM | #164 |
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03-04-2014, 11:06 PM | #165 |
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oh for fuck's sake corganist is here now
i should probably not come back in here |
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03-04-2014, 11:09 PM | #166 |
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that guy is spot on about everything
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03-04-2014, 11:11 PM | #167 |
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i really think he just wants to argue about the theoretical idea of property rights, rather than the practical nature of the specific issue, and you're like. YELLING AT HIM.
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03-04-2014, 11:13 PM | #168 | |
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He's not very good at arguing his position if that's what he's trying to do. (also if you don't think his homophobia comment was worth yelling at him for then i dunno what to tell you. this fucking guy. what a prick.) Last edited by Eulogy : 03-04-2014 at 11:24 PM. |
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03-04-2014, 11:51 PM | #169 |
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i dunno i think you are both talking past each other
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03-04-2014, 11:56 PM | #170 |
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03-05-2014, 12:48 AM | #171 |
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Eulogy, at NO POINT has this discussion been about whether or not the CRA is a good idea. Everyone in this thread agrees that the CRA should not be repealed. My whole argument has been trying to get you to acknowledge that a person can be against the CRA for reasons other than the fact that they are racist. |
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03-05-2014, 01:26 AM | #173 |
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03-05-2014, 01:35 AM | #174 |
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If only that were true.
This is pretty much a model for why political conversations on this board get derailed. In a nutshell: jczeroman: Do you acknowledge that people can be for freedom of speech and private property rights without agreeing with every awful thing that people do with those rights?*facepalm* |
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03-05-2014, 01:47 AM | #175 |
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Not like I am not an idiot for trying pursuing this conversation to this point...
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03-05-2014, 01:48 AM | #176 |
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Actually, it seems like virtually all my conversations with Eulogy end with him swearing at me...
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03-05-2014, 01:49 AM | #177 |
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you call eulogy out on succumbing to the ad hominem fallacy but your slippery slope and strawman fallacies are equally egregious.
this rhetorical exercise wherein you compare permissive alcohol laws to abolition of the civil rights act is just plain silly. the act of denying service to minority patrons is inherently awful. drinking alcohol isn't. your analogy is so flawed it doesn't merit a response, but here we are. |
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03-05-2014, 03:38 AM | #178 |
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03-05-2014, 03:47 AM | #179 | |
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and yeah the namecalling and swearing that's just par |
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03-05-2014, 04:27 AM | #180 | |
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people can drink alcohol and not be responsible about it at all, and become self-destructive alcoholics or drunk drivers |
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