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01-09-2017, 06:13 PM | #31 |
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I was in favor of them doing 2 movies, which was the original plan under del Toro I believe. I thought 2 films would have been a good amount of room for them to tell the whole story in full plus contextualize it all with a bit of info from the LOTR appendices (Unfinished Tales also has a whole segment on the "Quest of Erebor" which was written for LOTR but taken out of the final draft altogether).
The first movie wasn't even that bad, especially the beginning was done pretty well IMO. I have no idea what the fuck happened next but it was bad. the shit with orlando bloom and kate from lost is unforgivable |
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01-09-2017, 06:16 PM | #32 |
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Jackson is a just another dude, who like George Lucas, has an incredible amount of vision but very poor taste. The best movie was Fellowship where he was working in a constrained way with people looking over his shoulder and on actual budget. Things seemed organic and lived-in and real. The bigger the budget and the bigger the expectations, the worse the result.
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01-09-2017, 06:18 PM | #33 |
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01-09-2017, 08:37 PM | #35 |
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Peter Jackson can choke on the flaming phallic shafts of winged and non-winged balrogs.
i hate to even think about those abominations the hobit films. they were utterly untrue to the spirit. of the book. its not some grand epic tale its a children's story jrr told his sons. total fucking sellout. and yes they added shit from the lotr appendixes loosely based of course. what really pisses me off is that I really like the actors for bilbo and mithrandir. waste. |
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01-09-2017, 08:39 PM | #36 |
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I think studio Ghibli should do the Hobbit but that's just a dream.
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01-09-2017, 08:45 PM | #37 |
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Really? I think the same dude did a bit of lotr too. i never checked them out for some reason.
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01-09-2017, 08:46 PM | #38 | |
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Legit though, the first 20 minutes or so of the first Hobbit movie were really good. I never dreamed that they would attempt the singing and plate throwing, let alone make it look both good and feel like the scene from the book. I thought they captured it really masterfully. But then here comes Dr. Who riding on a bunny sleigh and tripping on mushrooms. smdh |
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01-09-2017, 08:52 PM | #39 |
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01-09-2017, 10:40 PM | #41 |
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I never seen any of these cartoons... guess I have my weekend planned out.
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01-09-2017, 10:51 PM | #42 |
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I think you may find yourself looking for things that aren't there in LOTR. Themes, symbols, meanings, insights, historical value... but that's just Gormadoc "Deepdelver" Brandybuck's humble opinion.
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01-09-2017, 11:18 PM | #43 | |
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I dunno if it deserves to be taught in a 20th century lit class or something, but it's not just a two-dimensional adventure story either. |
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01-09-2017, 11:24 PM | #44 |
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That's all very face value, which is sort of why it's considered pop lit. The question is does the material have the depth for critical analysis. I can't really answer that, and that's a debate in itself. But I don't think it challenges the greatest works of the English language in that regard.
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01-09-2017, 11:28 PM | #45 |
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What does it tell us about how Churchill handled the war? How did the Blitz affect Tolkein's narrative structure?
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01-09-2017, 11:40 PM | #46 |
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The writing itself is a little pedestrian, too, if I remember correctly.
It's nice to read something like Heart of Darkness or Blood Meridian, finding yourself occasionally taken aback by the genius craftsmanship in some paragraph or sentence. |
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01-09-2017, 11:40 PM | #47 | |
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01-09-2017, 11:42 PM | #48 |
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yeah it wavers between really prosaic ("he went there, they said this, and alas! they all felt this") and extremely overwrought in its pretension to be a medieval fairy story or epic nordic poem. There are some really beautiful lines and sentiments in there though.
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01-10-2017, 06:34 AM | #49 |
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Its good writing. Is it on the same level as Conrad or McCarthy?
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01-10-2017, 11:41 AM | #50 |
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Gormadoc "Deepdelver" Brandybuck does not know how to argue with this statement because it relies on knowing what "would have" happened which is impossible to know.
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01-10-2017, 12:55 PM | #51 | |
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01-10-2017, 04:57 PM | #52 |
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Another vote for the hobbit cartoon, don't forget 2 blaze tress every tiem they do it in the movie, or you may not understand the characters or themes properly
"The greatest adventure ... is what lies ahead ... " |
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01-10-2017, 05:02 PM | #53 | |
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Tolkien only lived 10 more years and never published anything else major on Middle-earth. I think LOTR was always curled away in a little niche of pop fiction. Yes, it is quite popular especially these days after the movies, but I don't think many people ever considered Tolkien to be a modern Shakespeare that's pretty out there |
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01-10-2017, 05:04 PM | #54 |
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and yeah the writing just isn't magnificent for the most part, it's hard to disagree with that. Tolkien was an etymologist who basically wrote fiction as a hobby. The Hobbit started out as something funny to make his kid laugh
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01-10-2017, 05:16 PM | #55 |
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Been awhile since I cracked my red-leathered copy (last couple times I tried I couldn't help but see Elijah Woods huge ass watery hobbit eyes etc) but seems everything was "grey." Pale "grey" this and stony "grey" that and hills and skies of thickest "grey." His visual descriptive language, at least, struck me as underdeveloped
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01-10-2017, 07:38 PM | #56 | |
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01-10-2017, 08:39 PM | #57 |
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Sleazy? Or like just things that actually happened in real life not in the children's fantasy of Tolkien?
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01-10-2017, 08:52 PM | #58 | |
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In any case, the movies only make Tolkien look like some sort of erudite demigod of caramelized genius by comparison. |
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01-10-2017, 09:23 PM | #59 | |
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LOTR is probably my all-time favorite book fwiw. There is no other book like it, and there is no other universe like Tolkien's. |
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01-10-2017, 09:27 PM | #60 | |
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