Smashing Pumpkins 'Shiny And Oh So Bright' Tour 2018

[Forgotten Child]

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[amoergosum]

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[Corgan's Bluff]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Child

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Did he ever use them live...?

[Forgotten Child]

I'm not sure, but I remember him using a simple ouroboros version at least for few gigs while the had that set designed by Vasily

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[amoergosum]

Ein Beitrag geteilt von WilliamPatrickCorgan (@williampcorgan) am Mai 17, 2018 um 10:22 PDT

[FoolofaTook]

Machina: best tsp art, worst tsp music

[FoolofaTook]

(tho home & speed kills are senescent)

[reprise85]

time left story arc paradigm (?) shift
??? is central focus (what? that?)
visual art media music

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by reprise85

time left story arc paradigm (?) shift
??? is central focus (what? that?)
visual art media music

what is
center

xxxx? I read the last two letters as VS, but that doesn't make sense really
focus. okay. is that an o. what is center focus?


cute for a toddler, so deep

[WakaFlocka]

time left, story arc, paradigm shift

what is center focus

visual art, media, music


-the deep toddler translator

[Shadaloo]

The last time he talked about paradigm shifts he was on Alex Jones

Everything's got to be this big insane multimedia project

Motherfucker can't just sit down and write some songs

[smashingjj]

[WakaFlocka]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

The last time he talked about paradigm shifts he was on Alex Jones

Everything's got to be this big insane multimedia project

Motherfucker can't just sit down and write some songs

Yeah exactly, my theory has always been that around the early 00's when the internet really took off he started reading every negative comment he could find and from there the decline started.

People can bitch and moan about D'Arcy green lighting all the "good" songs during the glory days, but the reality is that he was still writing and performing just fine without her throughout the Machina era, and especially fucking Zwan.


This latest IG post just looks similar to the same shit we've seen before when he was doodling up all the Teargarden tracks on the white board. Stop reading the internet Bollz!

FWIW wasn't it Rider that commented on the lack of electric guitars leading to the Chicago Songs being "put in a can" ? Lol you bastard!!! What do you have to say for yourself now?!

[FoolofaTook]

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[Funbags]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

The last time he talked about paradigm shifts he was on Alex Jones

Everything's got to be this big insane multimedia project

Motherfucker can't just sit down and write some songs

Maybe he's talking about the band as a whole?

I bet he's planning the same old bait and switch of releasing something for the mainstream and then following up with his artsy opus.

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by WakaFlocka

People can bitch and moan about D'Arcy green lighting all the "good" songs during the glory days, but the reality is that he was still writing and performing just fine without her throughout the Machina era, and especially fucking Zwan.

But Machina and Zwan weren't that great. Definitely no Mellon Collie or Adore or Siamese Dream or Gish great. Machina was the beginning of the downward spiral.

[WeilandFan]

I must be the only person here who loves Mary Star of the Sea. MSOTS >>>> MACHINA.

[brothahi4L]

Zwan was total crap- his voice, production and songs.

Solara is gonna be crappy- billy should have cancelled this grannyparty

[Butt Pope]

I really enjoyed MSOTS when it came out because Billy sounded happy and intentional. It’s still better than anything else he’s released in 15 years, but it hasn’t aged well and is kinda cheesy in retrospect.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by MyKeyZ

But Machina and Zwan weren't that great. Definitely no Mellon Collie or Adore or Siamese Dream or Gish great. Machina was the beginning of the downward spiral.

Except Machina and Zwan (the good parts) are >>>>>>>>>>> Adore & Gish.

[Forgotten Child]

Originally Posted by Woody

Except Machina and Zwan (the good parts) are >>>>>>>>>>> Adore & Gish.

Except you're wrong

[Corgan's Bluff]

Nailing it:

[reprise85]

billy "fedora" corgan

[MyKeyZ]

Originally Posted by Woody

Except Machina and Zwan (the good parts) are >>>>>>>>>>> Adore & Gish.

No.

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

(tho home & speed kills are senescent)

Fuck yes, those are two of my favourite songs from the whole era

[FoolofaTook]

i know. i remember.

we have a bond.


how do you feel about blue skies bring tears off of faeomm?

[WakaFlocka]

Originally Posted by WeilandFan

I must be the only person here who loves Mary Star of the Sea. MSOTS >>>> MACHINA.

I also love it, and sure it's frustrating that so many of the really good material didn't make the final cuts on the album but it isn't terrible by any means.

Why do most people here tend to judge Zwan solely on MSOTS!? Too many good live comps out there, or just soundboard shows that display how much more material they had, aside from being an amazing live band. I saw them once in 2001 (sans Paz) and again before the breakup in 2003 and both shows were just great.

Machina was most certainly not the start of the decline, no fucking way. He wrote a plethora of songs during and right after the Adore tour that would become all the Machina tracks (that we've heard so far), then straight onto Zwan with another 60-70 songs, then the Chicago Kid songs, and probably tons of other demos from that period right before the TFE era which IMO was still pretty good too.

Somewhere between Courtney Love, Jessica Simpson, Tila Tequila, and spending some time locked away in a house with Jimmy in Arizona he shat out Zeitgeist and the decline started from there.

You cannot deny these Zwan tracks though, they've aged quite well I think!

[FoolofaTook]

zwan had good shit but not on the album, besides the title track.

[Funbags]

I'm not going to rehash my whole Zwan theory, but they were the rightful heirs to the next decade of Billy's career.

Billy blew it by attempting to use Zwan as a tool to reclaim his lost fame, rather than let it grow organically. His "don't you know who I am?" attitude killed a fucking amazing band. Check out those last festival pro shoots...they're phenomenal.

For one thing, they should have released an independent album by the initial lineup before Paz joined.

[incubator]

The Zwan album was great and fun and funny. Prob one of the greatest albums I got, in a good way I suppose. It seemed healthy times and Billys head wasn't stuck up his own arse being slowly digested