Could MACHINA have been better? - Page 2

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 12:28 PM

Adore reissue is one of my favorite Pumpkins possessions of all time, tbh, so I had reason to be hopeful for the M ones

f'real though the majority of the fan tracklistings just kind of baffle me, most of them are just kind of a colorless mix-up of their favorite songs from the era with no real flow or purpose. However there have been a few that do work better than the actual released product, but then again who knows what they would have put out if given the thumbs-up for the double album Bill had wanted to make in the first place

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 12:28 PM

People who cut TEG and like, CCS can GTFO tho

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 12:29 PM

The only thing I know for sure about my own ideal Machina record would be the version of BSBT that would go on it

2 good

Kahlo · 08-01-2018, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaFritz

How about--

MACHINA - Heavy Metal Version

1. Heavy Metal Machine
2. Heavy Metal Machine
3. Heavy Metal Machine
4. Heavy Metal Machine
5. Heavy Metal Machine
6. Heavy Metal Machine
7. Heavy Metal Machine (alternate mix)
8. Heavy Metal Machine
9. Heavy Metal Machine
10. Heavy Metal Machine
11. Go

This is great. Ending is a bit weak though.

Elphenor · 08-01-2018, 12:36 PM

ORIGINAL THREAD

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 12:42 PM

The 2-disc one called "Glass and The Ghost Machine" is pretty good tho, and I know I've seen a couple on here that put in what looked like some serious work into constructing whatever plot they'd put out there while also managing a sort of musical flow/thematic continuity but I haven't quite listened to all of them

Edit: as soon as I went to fetch a link for GATMOG, i look in the notes file I had for it and the credit was to soniclovenoize. so, well, thanks guy!

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 01:03 PM

Listening to GATMOG right now, & truth be told, Innosense has gotta be a top 5 most underrated SP track for me. I never, ever hear people talking about it and it's rarely included in the fan-made compilations, but it's one of the most fragile & sincere things he put out in this period, along with "With Every Light" and maybe a couple others

FoolofaTook · 08-01-2018, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

The only thing I know for sure about my own ideal Machina record would be the version of BSBT that would go on it

2 good

this is one of the best tsp songs of like all time.

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 01:06 PM

wait wtf hold the

how come I never heard that

I just downloaded a thing off soulseek containing this version called The Friends And Enemies Of Modern Music which is something completely different from machina 2 and the ep's

listening now, how the hell did it take 18+ years for me to find out about this?

FoolofaTook · 08-01-2018, 01:09 PM

untr00 mod alert

Shadaloo · 08-01-2018, 01:09 PM

Yeah, the FAEOMM tape gets lost in the shuffle a lot

Shadaloo · 08-01-2018, 01:13 PM

https://i.redd.it/xwqopgr0w9d11.jpg

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

Yeah, the FAEOMM tape gets lost in the shuffle a lot

seriously?!

I feel like eating my shoes

what kind of release was this?

KissesandNoise · 08-01-2018, 01:14 PM

Is it just too "on the nose" to end with This Time and the "bid you all goodnight" line?

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 01:16 PM

No more on the nose than ending a 2-hr album with "Farewell & Goodnight"

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

https://i.redd.it/xwqopgr0w9d11.jpg

more importantly; will it be non-acetate based?

FoolofaTook · 08-01-2018, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashingjj

seriously?!

I feel like eating my shoes

what kind of release was this?

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=165

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 01:16 PM

and yeah the whole FAEOMM kind of confused me too when I'd first discovered it cos Machina 2 had the exact phrase as its subtitle

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 01:17 PM

*eats shoes*

ok blue skies bring tears might be a good song after all

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 01:18 PM

"La Deux Machina (Mike Garson Version)" legit looks like a title someone on here would put on a mock-reissue tracklisting

johncg · 08-01-2018, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavementtune

you okay, johncg?

a lot of people even here were looking forward to that reissue the most, are you trying to say nobody ever wanted it, ergo if you do, you must be Bully? um...

Bully 146 checking in

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/b...ml?boot_id=165

well color me surprised.

now playing the mike Garson over the the top version of la deux machina

FoolofaTook · 08-01-2018, 01:23 PM

can't wait until smashingjj discovers speed kills spacey version

Cool As Ice Cream · 08-01-2018, 01:45 PM

lololo smashing jj
didn't know the faeomm tape

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 02:21 PM

I know, pretty amazing, I surprise myself

I'm going to reconsider everything I've ever said about the machina era

Mals Marola · 08-01-2018, 02:22 PM

MyKeyZ · 08-01-2018, 02:38 PM

Can Machina be better? Oh yes, most definitely.

With Machina, less is more.

MyKeyZ · 08-01-2018, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Adore reissue is one of my favorite Pumpkins possessions of all time, tbh, so I had reason to be hopeful for the M ones

f'real though the majority of the fan tracklistings just kind of baffle me, most of them are just kind of a colorless mix-up of their favorite songs from the era with no real flow or purpose. However there have been a few that do work better than the actual released product, but then again who knows what they would have put out if given the thumbs-up for the double album Bill had wanted to make in the first place

I made a slightly more electronic-based 17 track Adore tracklist that I quite enjoy that mostly keeps the original order with other tracks in certain places.

01 To Sheila
02 Ava Adore
03 Eye (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
04 Perfect
05 Daphne Descends
06 Saturnine (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
07 Tear
08 Crestfallen
09 Waiting (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
10 Appels + Oranjes
11 Pug
12 Shame
13 Behold! The Night Mare
14 For Martha
15 Blank Page
16 Blissed And Gone (taken from Rarities & B-Sides)
17 17

incubator · 08-01-2018, 02:53 PM

I'm sure it could've been better but if you consider it to be a bad record I don't think there's any combination of songs that would've made it a good record.

If they'd recorded Glass Theme, Dross, Cash Car Star or whatever for Machina 1 they'd most likely have been slow, weird sounding versions because the band seemingly wanted a slow, weird sounding record.

smashingjj · 08-01-2018, 02:54 PM

just listened to judas ø again

listening to 17 for the first time in 1998 and blissed and gone for the first time in 2001, it seems as though a lifetime happened in between

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08-01-2018, 12:28 PM	#31
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	Adore reissue is one of my favorite Pumpkins possessions of all time, tbh, so I had reason to be hopeful for the M ones f'real though the majority of the fan tracklistings just kind of baffle me, most of them are just kind of a colorless mix-up of their favorite songs from the era with no real flow or purpose. However there have been a few that do work better than the actual released product, but then again who knows what they would have put out if given the thumbs-up for the double album Bill had wanted to make in the first place

08-01-2018, 12:29 PM	#33
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	The only thing I know for sure about my own ideal Machina record would be the version of BSBT that would go on it 2 good

08-01-2018, 12:36 PM	#35
Elphenor Braindead Location: TX Posts: 16,289	ORIGINAL THREAD

08-01-2018, 12:42 PM	#36
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	The 2-disc one called "Glass and The Ghost Machine" is pretty good tho, and I know I've seen a couple on here that put in what looked like some serious work into constructing whatever plot they'd put out there while also managing a sort of musical flow/thematic continuity but I haven't quite listened to all of them Edit: as soon as I went to fetch a link for GATMOG, i look in the notes file I had for it and the credit was to soniclovenoize. so, well, thanks guy!

08-01-2018, 01:03 PM	#37
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	Listening to GATMOG right now, & truth be told, Innosense has gotta be a top 5 most underrated SP track for me. I never, ever hear people talking about it and it's rarely included in the fan-made compilations, but it's one of the most fragile & sincere things he put out in this period, along with "With Every Light" and maybe a couple others

08-01-2018, 01:06 PM	#39
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	wait wtf hold the how come I never heard that I just downloaded a thing off soulseek containing this version called The Friends And Enemies Of Modern Music which is something completely different from machina 2 and the ep's listening now, how the hell did it take 18+ years for me to find out about this?

08-01-2018, 01:09 PM	#41
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	Yeah, the FAEOMM tape gets lost in the shuffle a lot

08-01-2018, 01:13 PM	#42
Shadaloo Apocalyptic Poster Location: up on the cross you go little fella Posts: 2,676	https://i.redd.it/xwqopgr0w9d11.jpg

08-01-2018, 01:14 PM	#44
KissesandNoise Banned Location: I want a walk-in humidor! Posts: 410	Is it just too "on the nose" to end with This Time and the "bid you all goodnight" line?

08-01-2018, 01:16 PM	#45
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	No more on the nose than ending a 2-hr album with "Farewell & Goodnight"

08-01-2018, 01:17 PM	#49
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	eats shoes ok blue skies bring tears might be a good song after all

08-01-2018, 01:18 PM	#50
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	"La Deux Machina (Mike Garson Version)" legit looks like a title someone on here would put on a mock-reissue tracklisting

08-01-2018, 01:23 PM	#53
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	can't wait until smashingjj discovers speed kills spacey version

08-01-2018, 01:45 PM	#54
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,743	lololo smashing jj didn't know the faeomm tape

08-01-2018, 02:21 PM	#55
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	I know, pretty amazing, I surprise myself I'm going to reconsider everything I've ever said about the machina era

08-01-2018, 02:22 PM	#56
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000

08-01-2018, 02:38 PM	#57
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,689	Can Machina be better? Oh yes, most definitely. With Machina, less is more.

08-01-2018, 02:53 PM	#59
incubator Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,235	I'm sure it could've been better but if you consider it to be a bad record I don't think there's any combination of songs that would've made it a good record. If they'd recorded Glass Theme, Dross, Cash Car Star or whatever for Machina 1 they'd most likely have been slow, weird sounding versions because the band seemingly wanted a slow, weird sounding record.

08-01-2018, 02:54 PM	#60
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	just listened to judas ø again listening to 17 for the first time in 1998 and blissed and gone for the first time in 2001, it seems as though a lifetime happened in between