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Old 04-26-2012, 01:54 AM   #1
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:05 AM   #2
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:08 AM   #3
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Starla, were you in KC long enough to hear the "Indian chant" popular w Chiefs football fans? I demonstrated it for a friend from Chicago and she was pretty taken back by it.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:25 AM   #4
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Starla, were you in KC long enough to hear the "Indian chant" popular w Chiefs football fans? I demonstrated it for a friend from Chicago and she was pretty taken back by it.
When I was going to Haskell, we used to get together and go to the games, and it never really bothered us. My dad was a chiefs fan, and since I was a kid I remember the chant. It still does not bother me, but there are a lot of Native activists who are against it.

These things don't really bother me as much as it does to see someone running around stoned or drunk looking like an idiot in a headdress. I don't even really get offended when I see white girls wearing moccasins or anything that's Native inspired, but once it starts infringing on sacred things that's different.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:19 AM   #5
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Lol! Was just laughing at that in robin hood men in tights.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:26 AM   #6
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its part of the culture of forgiveness and acceptance. nobody alive today killed those native americans. peace out

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:42 AM   #7
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its part of the culture of forgiveness and acceptance. nobody alive today killed those native americans. peace out
No they didn't, but they desperately want to be Native, so they take what does not belong to them and use it as a "costume". They are into their peace, love, and new age bullshit and have appropriated from people they know nothing about. I'll have to blame it on pure ignorance, being that they probably were not taught better in their public education or by their ignorant parents. But what really fucking amazes me is when a Native tells one of these idiots that this is disrespectful, they actually have the balls to say they disagree, get angry, and continue doing it.

The headdress is a symbol of spirituality for a chief in a tribe or medicine person. They didn't go to the craft store, get a piece of cheap material and hot glue a bunch of feathers to it. They earned those feathers over a life time for various spiritual reasons.

I don't even know why I should have to explain this.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:52 AM   #8
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The headdress is a symbol of spirituality for a chief in a tribe or medicine person. They didn't go to the craft store, get a piece of cheap material and hot glue a bunch of feathers to it. They earned those feathers over a life time for various spiritual reasons.
so the festival people aren't wearing a native headdress. just like the football people aren't chanting a native chant.
same thing, really. yet the headdress offends you, but the chant doesn't.
i think you have issues.

 
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:37 AM   #9
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Okay, I just read this whole thread again and I will admit that this:

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Basically for me what it comes down to was that I'm not offended by the Native American headdresses or the chanting, Starla is, and maybe if she put herself in the shoes of the white kids wearing shit that's not their own culture, she could find in herself a reason to find it acceptable.
Is inappropriate wording, but I had completely missed over this part here:

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The headdress is a symbol of spirituality for a chief in a tribe or medicine person. They didn't go to the craft store, get a piece of cheap material and hot glue a bunch of feathers to it. They earned those feathers over a life time for various spiritual reasons.

I don't even know why I should have to explain this.
as in, in comparison to wearing mockasins or something, which Starla is okay with.

Also I don't know why you don't know why you should have to explain it. It's not exactly common knowledge. I didn't know that. Why should I?

I'll get around to responding to your last post later.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:32 AM   #10
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why is it ok for stoned and drunk people to do a chant for an american football team though? i guess i'm not seeing the difference really.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:44 AM   #11
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why is it ok for stoned and drunk people to do a chant for an american football team though? i guess i'm not seeing the difference really.
Because it's not a Native chant.

We don't "chant" we sing songs, and they all are different and have different meanings.

A bunch of drunks sitting around saying "ohh woahhh.... " and beating a drum is just that.

But if they were to start singing sacred song...... then that is entirely something else.

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Old 04-26-2012, 07:46 AM   #12
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Because it's not a Native chant. LOL

We don't "chant" we sing songs, and they all are different and have different meanings.

A bunch of drunks sitting around saying "ohh woahhh.... " and beating a drum is just that.

But if they were to start singing sacred song...... then that is entirely something else.
lol ok that makes sense

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:31 AM   #13
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It's not the same thing. Whatever they are chanting at the game and beating a drum is not Native. People who don't know better think it's a Native song. I guess that's why I laugh about it. If you are making a headdress that looks Native, then that is what you are doing.

Basically, I've never attended in a ceremony in my life that sounds like what they are doing at a Chiefs game.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:42 AM   #14
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Maybe you should just go dressed up as a slutty nun with a short habit and knee high boots or something, and call it even.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:26 AM   #15
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It's not the same thing. Whatever they are chanting at the game and beating a drum is not Native. People who don't know better think it's a Native song. I guess that's why I laugh about it. If you are making a headdress that looks Native, then that is what you are doing.
you could think the same thing about the headdress: people who don't know better think it's a native headdress. you could laugh about that too.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:17 PM   #17
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:03 AM   #18
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really?

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:05 PM   #19
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really?
Be more jealous?

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:47 AM   #20
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@ starla, are you saying this is racist?

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:49 AM   #21
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because perhaps you're the racist if you think cultural symbols belong entirely to YOU and YOUR "people" (as if there was a native american people...)

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:38 PM   #22
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because perhaps you're the racist if you think cultural symbols belong entirely to YOU and YOUR "people" (as if there was a native american people...)
Depends on what symbols they are. If they are symbols of my clan, then yeah they do belong to us and same goes for other tribes. ie an Apache wouldn't wear the symbols of another clan. Most symbols have certain spiritual meanings to them, so it's wrong for non natives or other clans to take them and bastardize them.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:19 PM   #23
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Most symbols have certain spiritual meanings to them, so it's wrong for non natives or other clans to take them and bastardize them.
i'm totally on your side but this happens with everything. our modern cultures thrive on reappropriating other cultures.

 
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:53 AM   #24
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Depends on what symbols they are. If they are symbols of my clan, then yeah they do belong to us and same goes for other tribes. ie an Apache wouldn't wear the symbols of another clan. Most symbols have certain spiritual meanings to them, so it's wrong for non natives or other clans to take them and bastardize them.
see, i don't know if this is racist, but it does seem morally uncomfortable to me

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:24 PM   #25
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no way i got HPV just from looking at those chicks

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:36 PM   #26
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Starla can be offended by whatever she wants. I don't think at any point she said that other people shouldn't be offended by the Chiefs' chants, or whatever.


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Old 04-26-2012, 02:38 PM   #27
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ahhhh hahahahahahaha

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:48 PM   #28
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jealous my foot.

 
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:49 PM   #29
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i think that blond on the right should stop wearing clothes all together.

 
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