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08-11-2014, 11:38 AM | #61 |
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I like it.
But it's not what I was expecting at all. I feel like there's a version inbetween this and the M2 version that's definitive. They never quite nailed this one in the studio - at least we have that live version. Hopefully when Machina gets scrubbed-up for reissue they'll improve the mix/master of the M2 one. Still, this was interesting though for sure, and cool of them to just drop it rather than hyping up. This version definitely wouldn't have fit on Adore. I dig the fills and strings, though. I think the problem with the song overall is that it has an incredible first verse and chorus, up there with the classics. But then it repeats itself and the bridge is ok, but it doesn't have any momentum. The last 30 seconds are definitely problematic. Less so on the Machina version but there are elements of both I like. Overall: cool, cool. Last edited by VoxUpDoc : 08-11-2014 at 11:47 AM. |
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08-11-2014, 11:41 AM | #62 |
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08-11-2014, 11:46 AM | #63 |
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Adore wasn't produced by Rubin. This was.
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08-11-2014, 11:50 AM | #64 | |
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i'm not too worried about the other adore reissue tracks tho. i think with all the fan expectations around this track, BC just got into his own head too much as usual, and fucked with the track too much...like every other time there's massive expectations at stake. see: machina & zeitgeist i mean, shit...just the fact that he used it on what is effectively a commercial for the new reissue proves that. guess we'll have to keep trying to get mike garson to leak the actual actual actual demo. *sigh* |
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08-11-2014, 11:52 AM | #65 |
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08-11-2014, 11:54 AM | #66 |
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Perhaps judging the clipping off of a YouTube rip is a bit premature. I'm holding onto hope that the actual release is properly mastered and normalized.
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08-11-2014, 11:56 AM | #67 |
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So... "release the adore version of 'let me give the world to you', Billy" becomes...
"release the M2 version of 'let me give the world to you' sans white noise, Billy". |
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08-11-2014, 11:56 AM | #68 |
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08-11-2014, 11:57 AM | #69 |
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Has anyone compared the full version to the short audio excerpt on that video clip that leaked years ago?
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08-11-2014, 11:58 AM | #70 | |
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08-11-2014, 11:58 AM | #71 |
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rubin is famous for privileging the vocals in a mix over everything else and brick walling. that doesn't mean that it wasn't tampered with in 2014, but this could be authentically 98.
i much prefer the machina 2 cut. |
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08-11-2014, 12:01 PM | #72 |
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all this talk about brick walling is great. i mean adore is the 6th reissue and for some reason everyone thinks it wont be brick walled. yet it will be just like the other 5. its 2014, it is what it is.
LMGTWTY is pretty cool. at least it actually came out |
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08-11-2014, 12:03 PM | #73 |
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This is beautiful and would have been just fine on adore. Remove Annie dog or any of the other so so songs and put this in its place.
Also once in a whole deserved more than bside status |
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08-11-2014, 12:04 PM | #74 | |
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sounds the same; loud vocals and all. |
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08-11-2014, 12:05 PM | #75 |
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I thought the Pisces bonus disc was the only thing fucked up so far.
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08-11-2014, 12:06 PM | #76 | |
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ok. record the audio from your headphones from 5 feet away. then compare it with the digital file and see how it matches up. let us know. |
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08-11-2014, 12:10 PM | #77 |
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Any chance of a leaking of the original one so we could compare the both of them? :P
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08-11-2014, 12:11 PM | #78 |
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This is one of my favorite SP songs, so it's great to finally hear it. It sounds fantastic IMO.
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08-11-2014, 12:12 PM | #79 |
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Much like the performance of "Towers of Rabble" that was included with the Mellon Collie re issue, I am glad to have it and it is a fun little curio. Other than that, years of hype has destroyed any chance of listening to this with fair ears.
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08-11-2014, 12:17 PM | #80 |
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It's a shame that they brickwalled it >>> DR5
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08-11-2014, 12:21 PM | #81 |
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I agree with Woody in that this song just never got nailed down definitively in the studio for one reason or another. After a couple of listens this version is growing on me (the drum fills became less annoying after a few plays), though that outro...
Never thought it was the greatest Pumpkins song in the first place, but it's cool to hear this and I appreciate the impromptu drop. More than anything, this solidifies my belief that it really did belong on Machina more than Adore. |
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08-11-2014, 12:23 PM | #82 |
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even if I ignore the fact that it's brickwalled, I just can't quite begin to like this version, mostly because of the outro..
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08-11-2014, 12:28 PM | #83 | |
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The very first fill pisses me off, at 42 where he randomly hits a tom. Are we totally sure Mike Burns didn't rerecord this? |
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08-11-2014, 12:33 PM | #84 |
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did anyone else notice "world PREMIER" in the picture
monty, was that you? |
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08-11-2014, 12:34 PM | #85 |
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Looks like the real, original 1999 version will stay stuck in the vaults forever...
unless ARMS OF SHEEP decides to leak it. |
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08-11-2014, 12:43 PM | #86 |
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08-11-2014, 12:45 PM | #87 |
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Even the live version just kind of drones on. It doesn't need to be 7 minutes long.
let me give the world to you let me give the world to you let me give the world to you let me give the world to you let me give the world to you |
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08-11-2014, 01:07 PM | #88 |
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yeah billy should have kept this in the vault forever, so ppl would keep clinging to that fable about how this was "the miracle that could have saved Adore and the pumpkins fortunes forever". if this song had ever been a sure fire hit, it would have been on the album. billy knew that then, but has been convinced by kiss up corganites over the years that he was wrong.
its pretty much exactly what i thought it would be all along, a pretty solid adore b-side. i've only spun it once, but i'll go ahead and say it's at least better than the m2 version. |
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08-11-2014, 01:25 PM | #89 |
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Oh, no.
M2 version is tons better. Better mixing, Jimmy drumming. |
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08-11-2014, 01:39 PM | #90 |
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