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Old 03-17-2014, 05:38 PM   #301
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I mean, when defining psychological illnesses, we aren't pinpointing unnatural things in people's brains. pedophilia is a naturally occurring thing that has most likely been happening to human beings since the dawn of time. We can say it is wrong because it is harmful in the extreme to individuals and to society, but that is a judgement of utilitarianism, not some moral absolute in line with the natural law of the universe. Which is fine, it doesn't mean we should respond any less harshly to it, it's just a rational view of it instead of trying to barricade ourselves in the righteousness of an imaginary natural order in which these sinners are evil incarnate without trying to understand how to contend with the issue in the real world.

along the same lines, wanting to dress up in animal costumes or have sex with people of the same sex, or having sex with multiple partners, or being turned on by chicks wanking you with their feet or thinking blondes are hotter than brunettes, or getting off on having hot wheels cars shoved up your ass..... I fail to see how a utilitarian argument can be made that any of these activities are harmful to individuals or to society as long as they are performed by consenting adults. I also fail to see the connection here between liking any of these "alternative" sexual practices makes you any closer to being a pedophile. That would be treating sexuality like a linear spectrum where hetero sex is on the one side, and pedophilia is on the other side and anything other than the most vanilla hetero sex places you that much closer to pedophilia. Which makes no sense and has literally no scientific basis. Therefore my assumption can only be that opposition to any "alternative" sex practices that are not harmful to individuals not partaking and to the individuals involved (unless they consent to it) is just prejudice and yuk factor.

 
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:41 PM   #302
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i'm glad you've clearly stated what you were really arguing against instead of about anything specific that anyone said

by the way go check out logical fallacies and for extra credit, see which one(s) you've made.
I'm pretty sure you actually realize how stupid you have been in this argument and are just too proud to admit your opposition to animal costume sex is fucking retarded and just prejudiced, therefore you have to keep evading self-explanation and keep saying ridiculous things like I'm a communist so I get to tell people what to do and protect them from themselves

 
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:45 PM   #303
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perhaps you will celebrate my death, i would be honored

 
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:45 PM   #304
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and by honored i mean i wouldn't care because i'm already dead but you're still a little douche

 
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Old 03-17-2014, 05:46 PM   #305
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so are you going to provide a rational explanation for your opposition to alternative sex practices or just do more posturing

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:01 AM   #306
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but do you believe that urges like putting on an animal costume lead to raping kids? because that sounds absurd to me, like smoking marijuana will lead to cooking meth. People who want to rape kids do not want to rape kids because they first succumbed to the urges to have sex with multiple partners or dress as a sheep. I'm pretty sure this is actually what trots is arguing though. IF WE DONT DRAW THE LINE HERE, THEN WHERE!?!? which is just really sad because 1) it makes no sense and has no bearing on reality, no one rapes kids because they dressed as a leather possum at an orgy first, and 2) it is a verbatim argument used against homosexuality for a long time
I think some people are turned on by deviant sexuality in general, and having sex in animal costumes can be an expression of something deeper and more disturbing. But, no - urges to put on an animal costumes and have sex does not lead to child rape. It might be that, statistically, furries are more likely to also be pedophiles or have sex with real animals or etc etc. But correlation does not equal causation.

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:19 AM   #307
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Hey reprise85, have you ever seen that movie Little Children? One of the characters is a pedophile trying to get his life together after jail. I wonder about people like that, when they know that what they feel is wrong but it's beyond their control.
I wonder about these people as well. When I was a teenager, I was romantically involved with a child predator for a few years. It's a long story, and one I've told on here, but I don't know if you've been around for it. Not going to go into it, but he's an evil piece of shit for sure, and even he knew what he was doing was wrong and harmful (it didn't just involve me, either). He was just a sociopath and didn't care. I imagine for some people, they do care, and for those who are perhaps redeemable, they never hurt a child and are very tortured by their urges. I know, I know, this is where people say "Aww the poor pedophile boo hoo," and to some extent that's true, but people who have a strong urge to hurt people and don't must be worthy of help or at least not hatred. They are not terrible people like the guy I knew.

This probably sounds weird coming from someone who survived someone like that, but I've seen the addictive nature of these thoughts and behaviors, and it must be torturous for them. Society is not okay with these people getting help, but it should be.

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I had a professor in college defend that consent age is basically just politics to keep population growth under control, and that since for so many cultures the norm is for girls to marry at 13 this can't be that bad. I'm sure he's right about it being political, but how can anyone defend children getting married?
People are not able to have healthy, non-exploitative romantic/sexual relationships with adults at 13 years old. It is a testament to our moral growth as a society that we not only realize this, but care enough to change the age of consent. IMO, the fact that that this kind of marriage has been legal throughout most of history is because people didn't give a damn about women in general, girls included. Not because it was somehow healthy then.

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I kinda agree that they are sick in the sense that they took an innocent tv show made for little girls and corrupted it to serve the sexual needs of grown men. One of the best examples of how men ruin everything for girls. If I were a parent I'd be angry that I can't let my kid google the name of a cartoon without porn surely popping up. I wouldn't care if they had their fantasies in private, but apparently there's a lot of harassment at events and it's not harmless like some of you hinted.

Also, regarding the slippery slope... I think there are sick people who try weird things just to see how far they can go. If any of you read about that Ian Watkins case in detail you'll see it's a progression for that particular type of sickness. I don't think it's common, but it's out there.
Yes I agree with all of this.

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:27 AM   #308
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People are not able to have healthy, non-exploitative romantic/sexual relationships with adults at 13 years old. It is a testament to our moral growth as a society that we not only realize this, but care enough to change the age of consent. IMO, the fact that that this kind of marriage has been legal throughout most of history is because people didn't give a damn about women in general, girls included. Not because it was somehow healthy then
bravo

i would somewhat defend the proletarian on this regard, as a dowry would enrich the family so it wasn't that they didn't give a shit about them at all, it was more about the fact that it was an economic reality

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:33 AM   #309
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I just read this entire thread... why why

I don't think you guys are communicating properly.

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Old 03-18-2014, 04:32 AM   #310
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I find this furry thing fascinating but I'm having trouble finding the right animal for me


This online acting game sounds boring to me, my choice of animal would be for the sole purpose of some costumed sexy time
but heavy costumes - lots of furr and a head - would probably be a pain to fuck in it,all clumsy and sweating
so how does one decide which animal you're gonna be? Is there a check list or something, I need furry help

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 03:49 PM   #311
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A girl who I went to high school with is now a furry. She's a wolf. She posts about it on facebook sometimes, it's interesting cause I don't think I've ever known any other real furries. She is also in a polyamorous relationship (like real polyamory as in she has two romantic partners). And those partners are also in a relationship with each other. Human sexuality is crazy

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:56 PM   #312
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So she's seeing how many dicks get thrown at her before her looks go and she needs to start digging gold.

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:11 PM   #313
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Basically

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:14 PM   #314
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she's a wolf, bro

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:29 PM   #315
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:37 PM   #316
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mfw i have no face

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 05:54 PM   #317
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So who wants to explore their sexuality with me?

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 06:21 PM   #318
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I've never been with a racoon before.

Is it true what they say about racoons?

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:03 PM   #319
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rabies?

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:10 PM   #320
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So who wants to explore their sexuality with me?
i got my triple dicked double breasted 20 foot brontosaurus avatar ready to go on Second Life

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:11 PM   #321
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just say the word

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:23 PM   #322
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I used to go on second life years ago. Sounds like it changed.

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:24 PM   #323
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I find this furry thing fascinating but I'm having trouble finding the right animal for me


This online acting game sounds boring to me, my choice of animal would be for the sole purpose of some costumed sexy time
but heavy costumes - lots of furr and a head - would probably be a pain to fuck in it,all clumsy and sweating
so how does one decide which animal you're gonna be? Is there a check list or something, I need furry help
There are furr comms on live journal.

 
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:31 PM   #324
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:50 PM   #325
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did we just get pavement to turn into a furry

see pave, you don't choose an animal you know it intrinsically because it is your True Self

 
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Old 03-19-2014, 02:11 AM   #326
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In native spirituality, the animal has chosen you. You just have to ask it to reveal itself to you or wait for it to show up in a vision, dream, or in your yard.

 
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Old 03-19-2014, 02:45 AM   #327
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ace rhino clip
i remember my 70 year old grandpa took me to see that. and i remember him walking out of the theater just shaking his head.. poor guy.

movie was pretty hilarious though. as much as i'd hate to admit

 
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:04 AM   #328
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i watched it the last time i was in the nut house. holds up surprisingly well. i think i actually liked it more than when i was a kid

 
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Old 03-19-2014, 05:06 AM   #329
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i didn't read the thread, so could someone please explain how asking for 'girl help' leads to condemnation of furries because paedophilia

 
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Old 03-19-2014, 06:57 AM   #330
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Well this was the first reference to furries,

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and what if they wanted to wear animal costumes all the time
In response to Eulogy suggesting that everyone mind their own business in regards to other people's sexual preferences, because redbregull was getting criticised for being polyamourous, or links were being made between his girl troubles and his polyamoury.

But that went ignored until Trots mentioned furries again, and he and Eulogy were arguing about whether there was anything implicitly wrong with their sexual practices. Eventually, in response to Eulogy asking him why he had a problem with other people's sexual preferences,

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you know i'd bring up NAMBLA here

but seriously:



whatever man
And now here we are.

 
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