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Old 05-26-2018, 07:30 PM   #121
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We only got to see print screens Darcy wanted us to see, even so the first message she shows us is Billy texting her with updates, while they were both still very friendly.

 
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:57 PM   #122
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it's clear they were doing a jimmy/billy thing in LA and d;arcy cound out via instagram like the rest of us that it was going on and that she wasn't going to be there.
I'd be pissed.
and it's revisionist bullshit from billy to say 'you weren't excluded' when that's exactly what's going in the moment. how dumb and desperate did he taker her to be?

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:46 AM   #123
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And then Corgan was also coming along from the back that Jack Bates would be their bassist even on tour, she could only have a guest role...

This all within a week after one and a half year both talking about a reunion.

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:33 AM   #124
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We only got to see print screens Darcy wanted us to see, even so the first message she shows us is Billy texting her with updates, while they were both still very friendly.
yeah i'm always moved to tears by the compassion when i tell my friends i escaped medical procedure, and they respond with "Ok, great on not needing surgery" and "we understand your enthusiasm"

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 07:21 AM   #125
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yeah i'm always moved to tears by the compassion when i tell my friends i escaped medical procedure, and they respond with "Ok, great on not needing surgery" and "we understand your enthusiasm"
That's exactly were they change the way they were talking. It sounds more like Billy wasn't sure if she was telling him all the truth. + We don't know what he/they said just after that text cause Darcy only showed us an edited version of it. For example, when Billy tells her "hence the door being open to you being involved when no one has seen you or seen you play. I alone haven't seen you for 19 years", if she has invited him for a meet it would only make sense to mention it, or mention that she was never invited by him/them. She didn't say anything about, later on she comes back to tell him that the doctors said she didn't need surgery.

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 07:35 AM   #126
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Corgan could have easily said that she didn't invite him. And that she left out text messages in the conversation.

He preferred to say that they haven't been in a room for nineteen years...

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:03 AM   #127
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Nice to say that you're not shut out when there are already recordings going on.
If there had been several attempts to meet her, he would have surely mentioned it as another excuse why they already started them.
Right but maybe they couldn't wait for her medical issues anymore and decided to move on without her but leave it open.

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:25 AM   #128
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They HAD already moved on, to record without knowing about her injury. Not even informed her at all before that they were recording.

And it's weird that D'arcy was only in communication with Billy Corgan the whole time.

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 01:51 PM   #129
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Corgan could have easily said that she didn't invite him. And that she left out text messages in the conversation.

He preferred to say that they haven't been in a room for nineteen years...
Why would he say that? She was the one waiting for an invitation to play with the band, not the other way around.

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:47 PM   #130
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Corgan himself said two years ago that he was reconnecting with his band-family. And that this came first before any reunion activities.

Spending time on tours through the country to reconnect with average citizens life, but finding no way to visit his "family" member doesn't fit together.

 
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Old 05-27-2018, 03:04 PM   #131
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Corgan himself said two years ago that he was reconnecting with his band-family. And that this came first before any reunion activities.

Spending time on tours through the country to reconnect with average citizens life, but finding no way to visit his "family" member doesn't fit together.
This is something I don't get as well, Billy did one of his road trips in January 2017 across a large part of America, why not work in seeing D'arcy on a trip like that? Michigan isn't that far from Chicago.

How this has all turned out is disappointing because Billy seemed like he really got it when he referred to the band family relationship as being the most important part about reconnecting in 2016-2017, not any business/tour deals or anything. That's why I thought the reunion would work out, because they'd put having a good relationship above any commitments that could hurt that.

Ultimately business ended up completely destroying the family.

 
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Old 05-28-2018, 01:25 PM   #132
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=qpGM-YpCg-o

as i always believed: darcy is the stubborn drug addicted moron who cannot cooperate

 
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Old 05-28-2018, 03:13 PM   #133
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This is something I don't get as well, Billy did one of his road trips in January 2017 across a large part of America, why not work in seeing D'arcy on a trip like that? Michigan isn't that far from Chicago.

How this has all turned out is disappointing because Billy seemed like he really got it when he referred to the band family relationship as being the most important part about reconnecting in 2016-2017, not any business/tour deals or anything. That's why I thought the reunion would work out, because they'd put having a good relationship above any commitments that could hurt that.

Ultimately business ended up completely destroying the family.
Unless he tried and she actually refused to meet him. But you guys can't see that.

 
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Old 05-28-2018, 05:48 PM   #134
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YES, we don't have your vision...

The text messages show that Billy didn't even inform D'arcy before the recordings to make her able to meet them timely...

 
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:30 PM   #135
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That's actually his first message. She knew they were working together, she didn't learn that from instagram pictures, only that they were recording new stuff. James wasn't even around yet. She wasn't there cause she isn't able to play the bass, and she knew that.

 
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Old 05-28-2018, 09:40 PM   #136
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Billy planning a gigantic comeback reunion tour yet doesn't actually reunite with one of the band members. What could possibly go wrong?

 
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Old 05-28-2018, 10:35 PM   #137
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anyone ready to give up yet?

 
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Old 05-28-2018, 11:30 PM   #138
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Never give up.
'Cause I will bang this drum to my dying day...

 
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Old 05-29-2018, 01:08 AM   #139
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That's actually his first message. She knew they were working together, she didn't learn that from instagram pictures, only that they were recording new stuff. James wasn't even around yet. She wasn't there cause she isn't able to play the bass, and she knew that.

You are only constructing a story upon YOUR opinion.
We only can be sure that D'arcy hadn't known about the recording session, not only hasn't been invited to it.

And that you're an arrogant prick to deny her any abilities at all...

 
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Old 05-29-2018, 07:21 AM   #140
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There's some great stuff in the full interview about the creative dynamic with the other bandmates
Any time Billy talks about music, the creative process, or other bands, he's usually pretty interesting and intelligible. Any time he talks about anything else...

 
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You are only constructing a story upon YOUR opinion.
We only can be sure that D'arcy hadn't known about the recording session, not only hasn't been invited to it.

And that you're an arrogant prick to deny her any abilities at all...
Jan, 18th. Billy texts her with updates from the studio:



It's clear it was just an update, they had been talking about it before.

Picture with Jimmy, billy and James reunited in the studio - Jan, 14th. They weren't working together yet tho, James only started with them later on.

James first picture with the band was posted on March, 1st.

Her interview with BlastEcho: Feb, 11th.

She was told they were demoing. She wasn't there cause "her shoulder". She knew all along what was going on.

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Old 05-29-2018, 08:28 AM   #142
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It's clear by the message D'arcy sent afterwards that he hadn't informed her about the recording before, that his update was just a reaction on a message from D'arcy before that.

Then he came with excuses, why it wouldn't be so important for her to be there...


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Old 05-29-2018, 08:50 AM   #143
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That's because they were not recording.

They only started working with Rubin one week later. They were demoing. James joined them late February/early March, that's when they started recording. She saw the picture with the 3 of them in the studio and assumed they were already working together.

 
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Fact is: darcy is out. I dont miss her. Couldnt play bass well enuff to record tracks on an album. Billy played 99 per cent. That says enuff about her bass skills.

 
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Fact is: darcy is out. I dont miss her. Couldnt play bass well enuff to record tracks on an album. Billy played 99 per cent. That says enuff about her bass skills.
No all that says is you're a fucking moron who has never been in a recording studio, doesn't know anything about recording records and doesn't know anything about the production of SD and Gish (which are the only albums she didn't play much on).

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I mean lafoo Billy must be terrible if it took 12 hours to do that little jingle right.

 
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:06 PM   #146
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That's because they were not recording.

They only started working with Rubin one week later. They were demoing. James joined them late February/early March, that's when they started recording. She saw the picture with the 3 of them in the studio and assumed they were already working together.
They didn't do some simple home recordings. They booked the big studio A in the famous Village in LA and let Howard Willing do the engineering. With three condenser mikes alone at the bass drum you can be sure, they not only recorded demos, like Corgan tried to tell D'arcy, but some basic tracks that could be used further more.

 
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Fact is: darcy is out. I dont miss her. Couldnt play bass well enuff to record tracks on an album. Billy played 99 per cent. That says enuff about her bass skills.
She played on all of Mellon Collie, and the vast majority of Adore and Machina II. She didn't need to be a superstar bassist to play with Smashing Pumpkins. It was never a band with particularly complex bass parts. She played in the band for eleven years with three very different and very talented drummers. Even on the albums where she did not play bass, Butch has stated her input into the songs helped shape them. At different points, every other member of the classic lineup praised her integrity and the musical ideas she brought to the band. Billy even continued to speak well of what she brought to the band in the Lars Ulrich interview.

 
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She played on all of Mellon Collie, and the vast majority of Adore and Machina II. She didn't need to be a superstar bassist to play with Smashing Pumpkins. It was never a band with particularly complex bass parts. She played in the band for eleven years with three very different and very talented drummers. Even on the albums where she did not play bass, Butch has stated her input into the songs helped shape them. At different points, every other member of the classic lineup praised her integrity and the musical ideas she brought to the band. Billy even continued to speak well of what she brought to the band in the Lars Ulrich interview.
No she didn't play on machina 2.

 
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Let's debate about this forever!

 
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With three condenser mikes alone at the bass drum
Only to butcher any semblance to the sound of an actual bass drum in the mix and master.

 
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