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12-29-2016, 07:47 PM | #1 |
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dynamic range of various SP albums
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/li...umpkins&album=
Interesting list showing the dynamic range of different masterings of albums. Look at Zeitgeist - it's DR5 with a high and low of DR6 and DR4. No wonder it sounds so shit. The 24bit releases of Gish, Siamese Dream and Pisces are disappointing too. Last edited by Ihaguitar : 12-29-2016 at 07:53 PM. |
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12-29-2016, 07:57 PM | #2 |
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stand inside your love 666
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12-29-2016, 08:20 PM | #3 |
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THE GROOVER
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12-29-2016, 08:27 PM | #4 |
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Ur mothers releases are disappointing.
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12-29-2016, 09:14 PM | #5 |
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There are flaws in how these numbers are calculated by the software.
Most people who actually know what they are talking about frown upon people judging dynamic range by numbers spit out by a flawed piece of software. |
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12-30-2016, 06:23 AM | #6 |
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Maybe there are flaws, can you explain them? Surely they have some merit? For example why are the 24bit ones so poor?
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12-30-2016, 07:02 AM | #7 |
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The dynamic range comes from the mastering so the resolution of the 24bit files makes no impact if the mastering is compressed in the first place. The CDs of the reissues and the hi-res files are exactly the same mastering.
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12-30-2016, 07:22 AM | #8 | |
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I know it comes from the mastering, I just think it's nuts to use the same level of compression on 24bit. Basically the original CDs and vinyl are the best versions. |
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12-30-2016, 01:34 PM | #9 | |
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There are literally endless threads about how these numbers are derived and how boiling "dynamic range" down to one number is a fools errand. By the way pro tip, this is not actually measuring dynamic range and when most people are talking about "dynamic range" they aren't actually talking about dynamic range. This thread is about using it to compare vinyl but in 1000+ posts tons of info is shared. There is months worth of reading out there if you actually want to educate yourself and not just throw out incorrect terms, numbers, and buzzwords. Trust me I've been there. I loved going around throwing around terms like brickwalled until I made the mistake of doing it in front of some famous old school recording engineers who ripped me a new asshole. http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...-vinyl.330706/ |
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12-30-2016, 01:41 PM | #10 |
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What were you assigning the term “brickwalled” to mean? To me that one seems fairly self-evident.
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12-30-2016, 03:24 PM | #11 | |
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That is what I understand anyway. I believe the Zwan album was intentionally brickwalled by Billy. |
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12-30-2016, 03:21 PM | #12 | |
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I dont think the DR values are meaningless. They dont tell the whole story but if you look at albums that sound badly compressed and compare to ones that sound open and dynamic the DR numbers seem to follow the correct trend. |
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12-31-2016, 11:12 AM | #13 | |
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That thread was about comparing DR values of CDs against vinyl. It does not say you shouldnt compare different CD masterings in this way. Here is a hydrogen audio thread: https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,105173.0.html |
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12-29-2016, 10:34 PM | #14 | |
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12-29-2016, 10:55 PM | #15 |
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I dunno about official channels but they are still floating around out there.
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12-30-2016, 06:22 AM | #16 |
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Yeah they're on torrent sites.
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12-30-2016, 07:25 AM | #17 |
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I want to hear Steve Hoffman mastered versions of all the albums.
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12-31-2016, 08:22 AM | #18 | |
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HOWIE WEINBERG had done the mastering in the nineties, working then as an employee of BOB LUDWIG. He did the mastering now of the bonus tracks of the reissues in his studio. |
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12-31-2016, 09:48 AM | #19 | |
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12-30-2016, 11:47 AM | #20 |
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I found this site through other sources and did some simple testing of my own. Mostly just to compare the various versions. I ended up testing original/reissue CD’s and vinyl records as well as the 24bit downloads. To my ears the best source is definitely the 24bit downloads. The clarity and depth is instantly noticeable to me. My set up isn’t anything pro-level by any means but it instantly comes through as the best choice in my opinion.
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12-30-2016, 12:40 PM | #21 | |
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12-30-2016, 01:19 PM | #22 | |
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12-30-2016, 01:23 PM | #23 | |
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12-30-2016, 01:13 PM | #24 |
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I find stolen, mislabeled mp3s played at top volume thru shitty speakers in a car going nowhere fast to b the finest aural experience of SP
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12-30-2016, 01:36 PM | #25 |
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My hearing is bad enough that I don't care about dynamic ranges, 24 bit versions or things like that.
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12-30-2016, 01:38 PM | #26 |
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If I remember correctly is was Bob Ludwig, who I pissed off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Ludwig |
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12-31-2016, 08:53 AM | #27 |
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What about Howie Mandel?
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12-31-2016, 08:54 AM | #28 |
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Lol he's bald too
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12-31-2016, 02:27 PM | #29 |
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I'll just add that the MCIS remaster is an improvement. Can anyone link to any comments Bob Ludwig has made about these albums?
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12-31-2016, 03:04 PM | #30 |
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