Porcelina of the Vast Oceans

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 12:45 AM

I was reading the other thread about the "prettiest" SP song when somebody mentioned "Porcelina." I have loved this song since I first head it so long ago. However, I decided to listen to it again after I read the above mentioned thread. Upon the latest listen, I noticed something somewhat ironic . . . well maybe not ironic but a certain coincidence nonetheless. When I was listening to the intro to the song (through the first 2 minutes), I noticed how Jimmy's drums sounded like the crashing of the waves of the "oceans," the "vast oceans." His rolling cymbals or whatever you want to call them, definitely sound like waves crashing against the shore. Maybe I'm listend "too hard" to it, but I can hear it. That is the ironic/coincidence that I was talking about earlier. Can you hear it? Am I just crazy? Both? Just curious what everyone or anyone else thought.

aztec litany service · 02-06-2006, 12:49 AM

not ironic or a coincidence
it is one of their best songs

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by aztec litany service

not ironic or a coincidence
it is one of their best songs

So are you saying it was done on purpose? Hence the song title? Or if you want to look at it the other way, hence the rolling cymbals?

Mo · 02-06-2006, 12:51 AM

this is one of their very best songs, tho it sucked in some live-versions (especially when the started it without that after-intro-break-riff).

transluscent · 02-06-2006, 12:52 AM

I like the machina version.

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 12:54 AM

I am not trying to discuss how "good" or "great" this song was . . . that was established in my very first post . . . I am trying to see what people think of the intro and what I stated above.

Pheeew · 02-06-2006, 01:07 AM

yeah, i think they purposely made parts of the song have a ocean-wave type sound to it. besides the cymbal rolls in the beginning, there is that sound effect towards the end of the song that could also be something like a crashing wave.

topleybird · 02-06-2006, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mayorofcoolcity

So are you saying it was done on purpose?

Art is going to be so much cooler once you start thinking this through, man. Good luck to you.

topleybird · 02-06-2006, 01:22 AM

Seriously, it's like realizing your parents have sex. It colors everything. Let us know if it all starts rushing in too fast and we'll try to talk you down.

Pheeew · 02-06-2006, 01:33 AM

when i hold a seashell up my ear, i can hear jimmy rolling his cymbals.

Mablak · 02-06-2006, 01:37 AM

Yeh, it really doesn't matter whether it was done on purpose or not, its just how you appreciate the art on its own. But I agree that it sounds very wavelike, and those echo sort of riffs during the chorus sound very oceany as well.

Truly an immortal song, I think about the motif of Porcelina as imagination. It starts off with a sort of an imaginary journey, the mind being 'the realm of soft deslusions.' And when you're hit with the line, 'as all the thought police are closing in for sleep,' it suggests an immense freedom of the mind, leading me back to the idea of imagination. Don't want to write too much about the song though :].

smitten kitten · 02-06-2006, 01:56 AM

It's trite, but I noticed the "wave sounds" the first time I listened. Pretty sure you're not alone in your assessment of the song.

yoursevendreams · 02-06-2006, 07:03 AM

I noticed it the first time too. Maybe you are just high.

wpc33 · 02-06-2006, 08:12 AM

I didn't realize the literal connotations until this thread, personally, though it seems obvious now. Thanks

Liffey · 02-06-2006, 08:54 AM

this could very well be my favorite song of all time...not just of pumpkins

Sonic Johnny · 02-06-2006, 09:01 AM

you know whats amazingly pretty? that version of By Starlight from the 97 Vancouver show that billy introduces with "Matt, please lead us into the heavens...." the way it starts is won-der-fuckin-ful. his voice kinda fucks it though.

RopeyLopey · 02-06-2006, 09:29 AM

what is ironic about it? Seriously, new ARFs should be banned for posting in the first two weeks since their registration. And they should be allowed to make new threads only after they hit 100 posts.

mayorofcoolcity · 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RopeyLopey

what is ironic about it? Seriously, new ARFs should be banned for posting in the first two weeks since their registration. And they should be allowed to make new threads only after they hit 100 posts.

Seriously, losers like you shouldn't dictate who should or shouldn't post. I don't know what an "ARF' is, but I have been reading this message board for 4 years, but haven't written anything in a long time because of stupid shit and people like you. Way to go . . take a perfectly good thread and start this type of bullshit. So F U

ChristHimself! · 02-06-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mayorofcoolcity

Fuck you. . . an ode to no one

RopeyLopey · 02-06-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mayorofcoolcity

Seriously, losers like you shouldn't dictate who should or shouldn't post. I don't know what an "ARF' is, but I have been reading this message board for 4 years, but haven't written anything in a long time because of stupid shit and people like you. Way to go . . take a perfectly good thread and start this type of bullshit. So F U

please tell me what is ironic about it?

smashing0 · 02-06-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mayorofcoolcity

Seriously, losers like you shouldn't dictate who should or shouldn't post. I don't know what an "ARF' is, but I have been reading this message board for 4 years, but haven't written anything in a long time because of stupid shit and people like you. Way to go . . take a perfectly good thread and start this type of bullshit. So F U

why should you dictate what the main people who post here want?
you're an ARF
there have been ARF's coming here for much longer then 4 years
why start posting now if people like that annoy you
there will always be people here who will bug the noobs here
noob doesn't just mean new, it's more like the mindset of the ARFs

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by smashing0

it's more like the mindset of the ARFs

I still don't know what an ARF is . . . I'm sure it's similiar to a noob . . ARF . . A REAL FAN? Just guessing.

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mayorofcoolcity

Upon the latest listen, I noticed something somewhat ironic . . . well maybe not ironic but a certain coincidence nonetheless.

Maybe if you would have read more carefully, I stated, IN MY FIRST POST, that it wasn't necessarily ironic. I just couldn't think of a better word at the time.

RopeyLopey · 02-06-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mayorofcoolcity

Maybe if you would have read more carefully, I stated, IN MY FIRST POST, that it wasn't necessarily ironic. I just couldn't think of a better word at the time.

there's still a long way between being something ironic and a coinscidence. You and Alanis Morissette would make an awesome couple.

ARF = amish rake fighter

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RopeyLopey

there's still a long way between being something ironic and a coinscidence. You and Alanis Morissette would make an awesome couple.

I do agree with you somewhat . . . .BUT, if they hadn't done the rolling cymbals on purpose that it would be both a coincidence and ironic now wouldn't it?

And the fact that you bring up an Alanis Morissette on a pumpkins board . . shame on you.

Her song ironic is inronic in the sense that nothing she sings about is ironic. Now that's irony!

TuralyonW3 · 02-06-2006, 12:54 PM

the waves sounds are obvious, and no it has nothing to do with irony. thread fucking closed. jesus

SpFission · 02-06-2006, 01:34 PM

ARF = Amish Rape Frenzy

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TuralyonW3

the waves sounds are obvious, and no it has nothing to do with irony. thread fucking closed. jesus

Aren't you a crabby fuck

wpc33 · 02-06-2006, 02:10 PM

What a bunch of still-mad-at-alanis-like-its-1996 eletist assholes. Oh yeah, worst thread ever

mayorofcoolcity · 02-06-2006, 02:16 PM

. . . sigh . . . never again . . . what a waste

02-06-2006, 12:45 AM	#1
mayorofcoolcity Amish Rake Fighter Location: geekUSA Posts: 13	Porcelina of the Vast Oceans I was reading the other thread about the "prettiest" SP song when somebody mentioned "Porcelina." I have loved this song since I first head it so long ago. However, I decided to listen to it again after I read the above mentioned thread. Upon the latest listen, I noticed something somewhat ironic . . . well maybe not ironic but a certain coincidence nonetheless. When I was listening to the intro to the song (through the first 2 minutes), I noticed how Jimmy's drums sounded like the crashing of the waves of the "oceans," the "vast oceans." His rolling cymbals or whatever you want to call them, definitely sound like waves crashing against the shore. Maybe I'm listend "too hard" to it, but I can hear it. That is the ironic/coincidence that I was talking about earlier. Can you hear it? Am I just crazy? Both? Just curious what everyone or anyone else thought.

02-06-2006, 12:49 AM	#2
aztec litany service Apocalyptic Poster Location: cedar park, tx Posts: 1,535	not ironic or a coincidence it is one of their best songs

02-06-2006, 12:51 AM	#4
Mo Immortal Posts: 20,964	this is one of their very best songs, tho it sucked in some live-versions (especially when the started it without that after-intro-break-riff).

02-06-2006, 12:52 AM	#5
transluscent Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,336	I like the machina version.

02-06-2006, 12:54 AM	#6
mayorofcoolcity Amish Rake Fighter Location: geekUSA Posts: 13	I am not trying to discuss how "good" or "great" this song was . . . that was established in my very first post . . . I am trying to see what people think of the intro and what I stated above.

02-06-2006, 01:07 AM	#7
Pheeew Demi-God Posts: 494	yeah, i think they purposely made parts of the song have a ocean-wave type sound to it. besides the cymbal rolls in the beginning, there is that sound effect towards the end of the song that could also be something like a crashing wave.

02-06-2006, 01:22 AM	#9
topleybird Janis Jopleybird Location: Let me see you do the booty hop. And now make the booty stop. Now drop, and do the booty wop. Posts: 6,571	Seriously, it's like realizing your parents have sex. It colors everything. Let us know if it all starts rushing in too fast and we'll try to talk you down.

02-06-2006, 01:33 AM	#10
Pheeew Demi-God Posts: 494	when i hold a seashell up my ear, i can hear jimmy rolling his cymbals.

02-06-2006, 01:37 AM	#11
Mablak Minion of Satan Location: Well, if it isn't my old friend, Mr. McGreg, with a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg! Posts: 6,411	Yeh, it really doesn't matter whether it was done on purpose or not, its just how you appreciate the art on its own. But I agree that it sounds very wavelike, and those echo sort of riffs during the chorus sound very oceany as well. Truly an immortal song, I think about the motif of Porcelina as imagination. It starts off with a sort of an imaginary journey, the mind being 'the realm of soft deslusions.' And when you're hit with the line, 'as all the thought police are closing in for sleep,' it suggests an immense freedom of the mind, leading me back to the idea of imagination. Don't want to write too much about the song though :].

02-06-2006, 01:56 AM	#12
smitten kitten Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 7	It's trite, but I noticed the "wave sounds" the first time I listened. Pretty sure you're not alone in your assessment of the song.

02-06-2006, 07:03 AM	#13
yoursevendreams Pledge Location: USA Posts: 99	I noticed it the first time too. Maybe you are just high.

02-06-2006, 08:12 AM	#14
wpc33 Apocalyptic Poster Location: Cheating on my wife with Kurt Cobain's wife. He'll live. Posts: 2,174	I didn't realize the literal connotations until this thread, personally, though it seems obvious now. Thanks

02-06-2006, 08:54 AM	#15
Liffey Ownz Location: tokyo and CT Posts: 522	this could very well be my favorite song of all time...not just of pumpkins

02-06-2006, 09:01 AM	#16
Sonic Johnny Through Silver In Buds Location: Centralia Posts: 16,502	you know whats amazingly pretty? that version of By Starlight from the 97 Vancouver show that billy introduces with "Matt, please lead us into the heavens...." the way it starts is won-der-fuckin-ful. his voice kinda fucks it though.

02-06-2006, 09:29 AM	#17
RopeyLopey Braindead Posts: 15,490	what is ironic about it? Seriously, new ARFs should be banned for posting in the first two weeks since their registration. And they should be allowed to make new threads only after they hit 100 posts.

02-06-2006, 12:54 PM	#26
TuralyonW3 Immortal Posts: 25,684	the waves sounds are obvious, and no it has nothing to do with irony. thread fucking closed. jesus

02-06-2006, 01:34 PM	#27
SpFission Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,999	ARF = Amish Rape Frenzy

02-06-2006, 02:10 PM	#29
wpc33 Apocalyptic Poster Location: Cheating on my wife with Kurt Cobain's wife. He'll live. Posts: 2,174	What a bunch of still-mad-at-alanis-like-its-1996 eletist assholes. Oh yeah, worst thread ever

02-06-2006, 02:16 PM	#30
mayorofcoolcity Amish Rake Fighter Location: geekUSA Posts: 13	. . . sigh . . . never again . . . what a waste