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03-07-2018, 05:17 PM | #1022 |
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03-07-2018, 05:30 PM | #1023 |
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I saw them in 96 and they fuckin ruled. Pinkerton tour. Tiny club. Rivers did not look at the audience once the entire night... just stared straight down.
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03-07-2018, 05:39 PM | #1024 |
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This thread has gotten better the longer it goes.
Fantastic discussion! I’ll agree with whoever said that Adore is not some masterpiece. While it definitely had been underrated for a while, it is actually stating to become overrated among the fan base. Machina on the other hand I will argue is certainly underrated. How can you not appreciate the uniqueness in the way that it was produced? Machina was really the last time that Billy made something ambitious. Everything after it has been forced and recycled. Also, Pisces Iscariot is a compilation album. Accept it. Compare it to other compilation albums. But none of that takes away from how awesome it is. Did I read someone say Adore was better than it? lol. There are easily 6 songs from Pisces that are better than anything on Adore. |
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03-07-2018, 05:42 PM | #1025 |
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so is nickelback confirmed or not? fuzzy?
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03-07-2018, 05:59 PM | #1027 |
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Uniqueness of Machinas production? It sounds like a muddy mess.
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03-07-2018, 06:02 PM | #1028 |
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But it’s the layer underneath the layer!
The uniqueness is lost on you. |
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03-07-2018, 06:06 PM | #1029 |
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Flood rules, fight me.
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03-07-2018, 07:53 PM | #1030 |
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i like machina better than adore but adore has for martha and blank page, which are both better than anything on machina
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03-07-2018, 07:56 PM | #1031 |
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The problem with the complex mix of Machina is that you need a good HiFi to enjoy it.
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03-07-2018, 07:59 PM | #1032 |
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Lol yeah that's it
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03-07-2018, 08:27 PM | #1033 |
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Linda Strawdingle is learning the bass (noodling)! The days of Jackass Bates are counted...
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03-07-2018, 09:19 PM | #1034 |
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I give Flood and Alan Moulder a lot of credit for helping make Mellon Collie was it is. Best producer the band has worked with and van capture their raw and primal power.
Machina was just a disappointment. Machina II had stronger tracks. Adore > Machinas |
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03-07-2018, 09:41 PM | #1035 |
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I assume once the ticket sales start stalling that they'll unleash the opening acts with a frenzy... Should be any day now by that accord No one had any clue who the opening acts for GnR would be for the longest time either. Lenny Kravitz and Alice In Chains were actually rolled out with little fanfare... Probably cause the sales and demand were already so large and more than even Live Nation would have anticipated. I mean, I'm sure they knew they were gonna cash in, but one of the highest grossing tours of all time? Doubt they saw that coming.
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03-07-2018, 09:49 PM | #1037 |
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Flood can't mix heavy rock for shit. The mellow songs sound great though. I love MCIS as a whole, it's sounds like a 70's album, but compared to Butch Vig's SD production it's pretty low-fi.
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03-07-2018, 09:56 PM | #1038 |
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Even the Ava Adore chorus is reminiscent of the 1979 chorus in a weird way. It's hard to articulate, but there was definitely a very big shift in his songwriting sensibilities post MCIS. The only way I can describe it is being a lot more 1979-y
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03-07-2018, 09:58 PM | #1039 |
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That was just the 1994-1996 trend at the time... To follow up your overproduced albums with something more raw in a display of perceived artistic integrity. It was obviously the standard set by Nirvana with In Utero following Nevermind ... But countless bands followed that formula at the time... Smashing Pumpkins (MCIS), Weezer (Pinkerton), Pearl Jam (Vitalogy), Green Day (Insomniac), Bush (Razor blade Suitcase), Live (Secret Samadhi) ETC. The list really does go on and on.
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03-07-2018, 10:03 PM | #1040 |
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it's more poppy, quite simply. he always had songs like this but he started making it basically a requirement of all singles
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03-07-2018, 10:05 PM | #1041 |
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yeah that's tr00 fuzzy
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A lot of bands do that shit when they score a surprise massive hit. Sugar Ray is the example I always use. They had nothing on their albums that sounded anything like Fly... It was just a quirky thrown together song that was written by the drummer that turned into a huge hit, next thing you know every song they do is in the vein of "Fly". |
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03-07-2018, 10:12 PM | #1043 |
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From "Rock Invasion" to "Rock Erosion"...
chamberdrums Rock invasion! @smashingpumpkins |
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03-07-2018, 10:14 PM | #1044 |
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Barenaked Ladies are another example with that One Week song.
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03-07-2018, 10:38 PM | #1045 | |
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03-07-2018, 10:56 PM | #1046 |
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I dunno. I've come to the conclusion that 1979 is the worst thing that could have happened for him. I'd say from Adore on the sound was changed completely. Even when they tried to "rock" again on some songs on the Machinas it was a total 180 from the glory years. Now I know it may have been an artistic thing, but I think a good ton of that post-MCIS music is 1979 influenced in one way or another.
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03-07-2018, 11:23 PM | #1047 |
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Smashing Pumpkins' MCIS vs Siamese Dream
Flood's lo-fi production > Butch Vig's hi-fi production Nirvana's In Utero vs Nevermind Steve Albini's lo-fi production > Butch Vig's hi-fi production Albini and Flood captured what these bands actually sound like live and in person and not some super glossy, radio friendly version of them. It was about capturing the real band, all members playing together in a room. In Utero is up there as one of the best produced rock records ever. Those albums fuzzy mentioned just happen to also be those bands' best albums. I highly suggest the Devonshire mixes of Nevermind that came with the super deluxe edition, much better than the final mix and master. Last edited by MyKeyZ : 03-07-2018 at 11:30 PM. |
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You don't think he became a lot more formulaic following MCIS? You'd never have Corgan penning songs like Perfect or Stand Inside Your Love if it wasn't for the success of 1979. Even a song I quite like like "Wound", the 1979 influence is undeniable.
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03-08-2018, 01:26 AM | #1050 |
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he did become more formulaic. I don't think SIYL is a good example, but I also don't think it's because of 1979. Gish is the least pop album and every album after that is consecutively more pop oriented basically
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