Machina reissue a go

[Shadaloo]

C'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo FEELALO c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo FEELALO c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo

FEELALO

song continues

[dustrocck]

I'll ride for the Feelalol chorus all the way though.

[Joey Goldberg]

in a shiny new yellow Hyundai, i hope

[killtrocity]

Feelalo brought to you by Hyundai™ is one half of a good song. Needs work.

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

C'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo FEELALO c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo FEELALO c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo c'mon and feelalo

FEELALO

song continues

Still a better song than anything on Cyr

[Shadaloo]

No it isn't

[ninsp]

Originally Posted by Shadaloo

No it isn't

Ok

[slunken]

i lick the polished chrome

[wHATcOLOR]

who here think we'll get this thing at some point during 2021?

[VoxUpDoc]

We either get Machina in 2021, but like in Nov/Dec - Bill would've released it immediately but the record company "didn't think it was good business to put out the set during a pandemic"

Or Bill cans everything and announces his retirement from music.

Could go either way.

[houseofglass11]

Glow and FOL and Owata absolutely blow

[TheAlter]

Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Glow and FOL and Owata absolutely blow

Maybe it's the utter disappointment of the last 10 years talking, but Owata is not that bad. Sounds like a good Zwan song.

[thedeadofnight]

Am gon puh ruh puh puh pum all over da place 1nce this gats ralaesed. Ah canna w8t 4 da stand inside ya lav reissü

[Cool As Ice Cream]

that goes without saying.

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by TheAlter

Sounds like a good Zwan song.

Stop disrespecting Zwan like that.

[smashingjj]

Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream

that goes without saying.

I agree.

he still said it though, unfortunately.

[Morlock]

Originally Posted by TheAlter

Maybe it's the utter disappointment of the last 10 years talking, but Owata is not that bad. Sounds like a good Zwan song.

It's an unremarkable song, but it demonstrates that Nicole is the best bass player they had.

[thedeadofnight]

Haha the most reductionist understanding lol, Glass & the Machines of God serve as a semi-fictitious/semi-autobiographical rock band. There was a time when a man by the name of Zero lead a group called The Smashing Pumpkins. But upon being charged with what he perceived to be a divine calling emitted through the radio, he assumes a new identity –Glass- and renames his band to 'The Machines of God'.

Glass is a complex and multi-dimensional character. Lyrically he is witty, vain, sarcastic and intellectually brilliant. However, he is also materialistic, fame driven, and emotionally wounded. Glass' character undergoes many changes over the course of the albums and his fate is left somewhat open ended. In the following articles, I present pertinent details of all things Glass related, and house once dead, archival material.

Originally an outtake from Adore, rerecorded during the Machina sessions, Satur9 appeared as a B-Side on CR-01 of Machina II. The name, when sounded out, provides the alchemical term we are dealing with - "Saturnine". It would also appear spelled like this on "Judas Ø".

Satur9 makes a nod to the alchemical concept of the "Saturnine Night". The Saturnine Night is a mythological analogy for the production of the philosopher's stone, with a particular focus on the destructive 'saturnine' aspect of antimony, which is a poisonous and base lead-like element that acts as a magnet for all of the toxic and impure qualities within the mixture that could jeopardize the operation. In order for transformation to occur, the antimony must be purified. As stated, this tale was told (like all of alchemy) through oftentimes complex and erudite metaphors and analogies, so as to safeguard the wisdom from falling into the wrong hands.

Despite his initially menacing and unflattering depictions, Saturn was later redeemed by prominent alchemists like Agrippa, who in his De Occulta Philosophia referred to Saturn as, the "great, wise and understanding lord, the begetter of silent contemplation (…) [and the] keeper and discoverer of mysteries".

Just as Saturn drew all his children close to him so that he could devour them, so too does the physical antimony, which draws and binds together the toxic elements. On its own, antimony carries very little purpose, with the exception of bringing together the unwanted. Once this occurs, one may purify it with a great flame. The purification complete, the matter is no longer a base and lesser material, but a stone worthy of the philosophers.

The process by which the saturnine must be drawn together, purified and transcended directly parallels humanity's need to do the very same. Likewise, the mythology of Saturn began to be seen as analogue to that of the human condition. Alexander Roob wrote of this, claiming that Saturn became "the patron of the alchemists" and "their central role model".

In order for the transformation to come about, the unworthy antimony must be collected, bound, and purified. Antimony served as the catalyst for collecting that which was not worthy, at which point the flame could be exposed to the wasteful matter, in order to bring about purification and emergence of the philosopher's stone.

Dross is the culminated total of all impurities; the inferior and wasteful material that is skimmed off the top during the process of distillation. This unwanted accumulation of rubbish usually binds itself as alloys in low melting point metals such as aluminum, tin, and lead.

According to Paracelsus, (an astounding alchemist of old) dross was seen as nothing more than undesirable impurities that needed to be removed or purified by the fire of the alchemist. By removing the unwanted elements, one could achieve a purer substance.

As gold was considered a pure metal -the metal which the sun itself imbued its purity and strength into- dross was rightly seen as its antithesis: an impure hodgepodge of relatively useless materials, in which their limited potential could only be achieved by the dissolution of the dross.

This then became another means of explaining the task of the alchemist: by taking the impure and base qualities of lower metals (the dross), the alchemist would subject it to purification (usually of flame), in an attempt to purge it of its impurities and secure it as a pure and living gold. This was completed with the alchemist achieving spiritual purity, enlightenment through gnosis, and transcendence.

Now, if we re-examine Glass with this knowledge, Dross becomes a fitting tale about an individual who is both spiritually and morally lost. A character with a lot of potential, but overcome with imperfections and impurities.

The term “Heavy Metal Machine”, like Dross and Saturnine, holds a double meaning that is worth illuminating.

While outdated, erroneous and factually incorrect, a “Heavy Metal” used to be a term for any metal of a base, dense, or toxic quality.

Several examples include:

Lead
Mercury
Plutonium
Cobalt
Copper
Zinc
This is irrelevant until one applies the term as a metaphor to the song.

In this context, it reinforces the concept of Glass as a Heavy Metal Machine, with far too many base, dense, and toxic qualities in his character. Glass, particularly in this song, is representative of the soulless and vapid mechanism of the industry. Rock and roll, which emerged to shatter the conventional and longstanding ideals held about musicianship, song structure, and traditional values, ends up becoming a Xerox; just a shadow of its former self and a dilution of a once pure solution.

The outcome of rock abandoning its value of free spirit and individualism is that everything becomes sterile and without impact. This continues to degrade until “we’re the metal in their metal machines”. And what does a heavy metal machine push out? Product. The scathingly sarcastic cover Billy did of David Essex’s “Rock On” is a testament to the futility and hollowness of rock and roll in our modern generation.

Unfortunately, I must end it here. Far more reflections are being saved for a forthcoming article on the re-emergence of Glass, in a post-Machina era lol

[Machinist]

tl/dr

[VoxUpDoc]

PLEASE STAHP.

[Shallowed]

Originally Posted by thedeadofnight

Haha

[...]

lol

[bright_doom]

Originally Posted by wHATcOLOR

who here think we'll get this thing at some point during 2021?

no

[dustrocck]

I still don't believe we'll get Machina until Billy passes.

[Machinist]

Originally Posted by dustrocck

I still don't believe we'll get Machina until Billy passes.

He already passed Monuments and some of you lapped it up.

[FoolofaTook]

ur dad lapped it up

[thedeadofnight]

dis board gon to da dogs woof woof time for bed Patsy night night now

[wHATcOLOR]

Originally Posted by thedeadofnight

Glass & the Machines of God serve as a semi-fictitious/semi-autobiographical rock band. There was a time when a man by the name of Zero lead a group called The Smashing Pumpkins. But upon being charged with what he perceived to be a divine calling emitted through the radio, he assumes a new identity –Glass- and renames his band to 'The Machines of God'.

Glass is a complex and multi-dimensional character. Lyrically he is witty, vain, sarcastic and intellectually brilliant. However, he is also materialistic, fame driven, and emotionally wounded. Glass' character undergoes many changes over the course of the albums and his fate is left somewhat open ended.

i'm not sure i can think of a concept less relatable and less interesting than this

[wHATcOLOR]

and the fact that we are all still genuinely wanting to hear this bloated stupid reissue decades later, despite all that, just shows that the story was never necessary

[Machinist]

Looking forward to buying the vinyl, briefly glancing over the liner notes, listening to the tracks, and then probably never thinking about the machina story again.

[killtrocity]

If you're telling me that MACHINIA is some sort of allegory about transition metals, I'm going to have to second wHATcOLOR's sentiment.

Transition metals are fucking boring as fuck

alchemy sucks, chemistry is better

except transition metal chemistry, fuck you inorganic chemists