Zeitgeist Has Actually Aged Pretty Well - Page 8

reprise85 · 07-30-2018, 06:02 PM

i listened to oceania for the first time in a while because of this thread

it's really not very good... violet rays and pale horse are pretty cool. panopticon and celestials are alright. pinwheels is terrible and at first but then turns good. that's about it. he destroyed my love is winter which is a shame - some live versions were good, if i remember correctly.

still destroys monuments to an elegy.

smashingjj · 07-30-2018, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

ZG is super ultra shite

would rather listen to Teargarden

we need to talk

fuzzyroes · 07-30-2018, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by reprise85

i listened to oceania for the first time in a while because of this thread

it's really not very good... violet rays and pale horse are pretty cool. panopticon and celestials are alright. pinwheels is terrible and at first but then turns good. that's about it. he destroyed my love is winter which is a shame - some live versions were good, if i remember correctly.

Yeah, I've never really understood why Oceania garnered such love from a lot of fans. It really isn't a very good musical effort and the songwriting is sorta bland.

I honestly think the positive reaction was partly because it followed Teargarden which was so terrible... So in comparison it seemed like a breath of fresh air. I remember at the time really trying to like Oceania and listening to it a lot on my Ipod, but it just never clicked.

Elphenor · 07-30-2018, 09:20 PM

his vocals have their moments on Oceania at least and are mixed decent to my ears

they sound almost good on Violet Rays

Elphenor · 07-30-2018, 09:26 PM

when the electric guitar kicks in on Celestials it's pretty rockin

Elphenor · 07-30-2018, 09:27 PM

yeah listening now and I'm calling it Oceania is gold compared to ZG and most the tracks on TBK

houseofglass11 · 07-30-2018, 09:28 PM

Oceania has the worst guitar tones of any SP album. MTaE has some great toanz on the other hand.

Elphenor · 07-30-2018, 09:41 PM

songwriting on MTaE is just non-existent just like with Solara every track is half baked, there's no song in the song

One and All let me just take a MCIS riff and repeat it ok that's good enough I guess what's next

solaraflame · 07-30-2018, 09:46 PM

Oceania is extremely well produced, though the drums seem tinny. The engineering is really good. I think it's a really strong mature record. Far better then Monuments, which isn't that great.
Zeitgeist could have been very good...but we all know why it wasn't. Horrid mixing and Billy background choirs. Leaving off great tunes.

MyKeyZ · 07-30-2018, 10:06 PM

Oceania = one big yawn

You hear the first song and think "Oh, maybe this will be a good album!"

...

NOPE!

The drums sound horrible. I honestly believe they're digital or heavily editied/modified live drums cut and pasted together. The whole album sounds sterile. Zeitgeist was the last album where Billy had some edge to his writing and guitar playing. Sadly the vocal mix sucks. Guitars sound better on Monuments than Oceania, but once again crap sounding drums even with Tommy Lee on the kit. The songwriting itself on Monuments is a huge drop off.

I really hope with Billy scrapping the EP idea and going for an album means he might go back to the tracks already recorded and do some more work on them. Get someone in to help mix and record new parts, like those solos on Solara live. I hope Billy puts more time and energetic into this new album than just quickly banging something out.

Elphenor · 07-30-2018, 11:10 PM

Quasar is the worst song on the album though

fuzzyroes · 07-30-2018, 11:32 PM

Please allow me to say hello to you!

FoolofaTook · 07-30-2018, 11:37 PM

so you guys are arguing which shit is shittier huh

interesting

Zer0 Hour · 07-31-2018, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

yeah listening now and I'm calling it Oceania is gold compared to ZG and most the tracks on TBK

I’m with you on this. I can still listen to Oceania all the way through and enjoy most of it, especially Quasar, Panopticon, Chimera and Inkless. I rarely listen to Zeitgeist anymore and if I do, it’s only a song or two. And Tiberius is the only song on MTAE that I really dig. I tend to just ignore TBK.

BurtSampson · 07-31-2018, 01:19 AM

Oceania is the only album I’ve ever heard where the drumming makes me avoid listening to jt

amoergosum · 07-31-2018, 01:28 AM

https://i.imgur.com/9NljuNm.png

reprise85 · 07-31-2018, 07:10 AM

seems like he's reality-focused for the first time in a while. although i wouldn't mind some zeitgeist songs myself... ok just starz, death from above, pomp and circumstances, zeitgeist, and stellar.

but if he wants to pretend the last 18 years don't exist it's a good trade-off

FoolofaTook · 07-31-2018, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by houseofglass11

Your dad has actually aged pretty well

Praise the Lord!

amoergosum · 07-31-2018, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by reprise85

seems like he's reality-focused for the first time in a while. although i wouldn't mind some zeitgeist songs myself... ok just starz, death from above, pomp and circumstances, zeitgeist, and stellar.

but if he wants to pretend the last 18 years don't exist it's a good trade-off

Stellar would be an awesome opener.

Eulogy · 07-31-2018, 07:46 AM

Am I the only one who thinks monuments is easily the best of the new stuff

I can’t imagine ever listening to zeitgeist or Oceania or tbk ever again.

That’s The Way is his best post-2000 pumpkins song though. Stellar is also good.

Zer0 Hour · 07-31-2018, 08:37 AM

Yeah, I wouldn't mind hearing Stellar or Starz live. As for That's the Way... I think I wouldn't mind that song if the lyrics (mostly the chorus) didn't suck so hard. Seriously, it's like he wasn't even trying.

MyKeyZ · 07-31-2018, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

Am I the only one who thinks monuments is easily the best of the new stuff

Yes. You are.

reprise85 · 07-31-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

Am I the only one who thinks monuments is easily the best of the new stuff

yes

Mals Marola · 07-31-2018, 08:29 PM

People over-hate on Monuments to a stupid degree. I don't think it's the best of the post-2000 stuff but it certainly ain't the shitshow people pretend it is

a few months ago I might have said it was the best post-SP2 album to date but honestly I feel like the clear winner is Zeitgeist - at least if you factor in the best recorded songs of the era a.k.a. the ones cut from the standard album tracklisting

fuzzyroes · 07-31-2018, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eulogy

Am I the only one who thinks monuments is easily the best of the new stuff

I can’t imagine ever listening to zeitgeist or Oceania or tbk ever again.

That’s The Way is his best post-2000 pumpkins song though. Stellar is also good.

Yeah man, I think it's some of the best material of the reformation myself. I really don't understand how it's so universally disliked. I mean, it's not great and the bar was set super low, but I think it's clearly an upgrade from Teargarden and Oceania... I still think Zeitgeist is better, but Zeitgeist does have far lower lows.

Mals Marola · 07-31-2018, 08:35 PM

I'm not so sure abt that prt
For as enjoyable as I find some of the highlights on Monuments (Tiberius, title track, Anus!,) the lows are damn low

Mals Marola · 07-31-2018, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elphenor

shite

s t f u

fuzzyroes · 07-31-2018, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 Hour

As for That's the Way... I think I wouldn't mind that song if the lyrics (mostly the chorus) didn't suck so hard. Seriously, it's like he wasn't even trying.

Really? I think it's one of the more charming and enduring songs lyrically on the album. It was one of the few songs on the album that really had the vintage Pumpkins fee.

fuzzyroes · 07-31-2018, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mals Marola

I'm not so sure abt that prt
For as enjoyable as I find some of the highlights on Monuments (Tiberius, title track, Anus!,) the lows are damn low

Well, for me personally, I've just erased from my memory that Run2Me is on the album. Aside from that, I don't think there's any songs as cringe-worthy as God and Country and Never Lost or the terrible mixing of songs like Doomsday Clock and 7 Shades of Black.

Mals Marola · 07-31-2018, 08:41 PM

I don't think it's terrible just pushed pretty hard but I mean JC's drums are still punchy enough for a good sonic kick in the balls so I can't hate on it

As for For God & Country, that's one of the songs like Appels + Oranjes where I feel like I'm one of like 5 people who actually really like it and can't understand why that's the case

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07-30-2018, 06:02 PM	#211
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 32,800	i listened to oceania for the first time in a while because of this thread it's really not very good... violet rays and pale horse are pretty cool. panopticon and celestials are alright. pinwheels is terrible and at first but then turns good. that's about it. he destroyed my love is winter which is a shame - some live versions were good, if i remember correctly. still destroys monuments to an elegy.

07-30-2018, 09:20 PM	#214
Elphenor Braindead Location: TX Posts: 16,289	his vocals have their moments on Oceania at least and are mixed decent to my ears they sound almost good on Violet Rays

07-30-2018, 09:26 PM	#215
Elphenor Braindead Location: TX Posts: 16,289	when the electric guitar kicks in on Celestials it's pretty rockin

07-30-2018, 09:27 PM	#216
Elphenor Braindead Location: TX Posts: 16,289	yeah listening now and I'm calling it Oceania is gold compared to ZG and most the tracks on TBK

07-30-2018, 09:28 PM	#217
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: sleuthing around like a worm Posts: 5,692	Oceania has the worst guitar tones of any SP album. MTaE has some great toanz on the other hand.

07-30-2018, 09:41 PM	#218
Elphenor Braindead Location: TX Posts: 16,289	songwriting on MTaE is just non-existent just like with Solara every track is half baked, there's no song in the song One and All let me just take a MCIS riff and repeat it ok that's good enough I guess what's next

07-30-2018, 09:46 PM	#219
solaraflame Pledge Posts: 82	Oceania is extremely well produced, though the drums seem tinny. The engineering is really good. I think it's a really strong mature record. Far better then Monuments, which isn't that great. Zeitgeist could have been very good...but we all know why it wasn't. Horrid mixing and Billy background choirs. Leaving off great tunes.

07-30-2018, 10:06 PM	#220
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,690	Oceania = one big yawn You hear the first song and think "Oh, maybe this will be a good album!" ... NOPE! The drums sound horrible. I honestly believe they're digital or heavily editied/modified live drums cut and pasted together. The whole album sounds sterile. Zeitgeist was the last album where Billy had some edge to his writing and guitar playing. Sadly the vocal mix sucks. Guitars sound better on Monuments than Oceania, but once again crap sounding drums even with Tommy Lee on the kit. The songwriting itself on Monuments is a huge drop off. I really hope with Billy scrapping the EP idea and going for an album means he might go back to the tracks already recorded and do some more work on them. Get someone in to help mix and record new parts, like those solos on Solara live. I hope Billy puts more time and energetic into this new album than just quickly banging something out.

07-30-2018, 11:10 PM	#221
Elphenor Braindead Location: TX Posts: 16,289	Quasar is the worst song on the album though

07-30-2018, 11:32 PM	#222
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	Please allow me to say hello to you!

07-30-2018, 11:37 PM	#223
FoolofaTook Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: Donald Trump of Netphoria Posts: 37,218	so you guys are arguing which shit is shittier huh interesting

07-31-2018, 01:19 AM	#225
BurtSampson Apocalyptic Poster Location: Billy's Buttcrack Posts: 1,687	Oceania is the only album I’ve ever heard where the drumming makes me avoid listening to jt

07-31-2018, 01:28 AM	#226
amoergosum Minion of Satan Posts: 6,014	https://i.imgur.com/9NljuNm.png

07-31-2018, 07:10 AM	#227
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 32,800	seems like he's reality-focused for the first time in a while. although i wouldn't mind some zeitgeist songs myself... ok just starz, death from above, pomp and circumstances, zeitgeist, and stellar. but if he wants to pretend the last 18 years don't exist it's a good trade-off

07-31-2018, 07:46 AM	#230
Eulogy huh Posts: 62,456	Am I the only one who thinks monuments is easily the best of the new stuff I can’t imagine ever listening to zeitgeist or Oceania or tbk ever again. That’s The Way is his best post-2000 pumpkins song though. Stellar is also good.

07-31-2018, 08:37 AM	#231
Zer0 Hour Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,114	Yeah, I wouldn't mind hearing Stellar or Starz live. As for That's the Way... I think I wouldn't mind that song if the lyrics (mostly the chorus) didn't suck so hard. Seriously, it's like he wasn't even trying.

07-31-2018, 08:29 PM	#234
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	People over-hate on Monuments to a stupid degree. I don't think it's the best of the post-2000 stuff but it certainly ain't the shitshow people pretend it is a few months ago I might have said it was the best post-SP2 album to date but honestly I feel like the clear winner is Zeitgeist - at least if you factor in the best recorded songs of the era a.k.a. the ones cut from the standard album tracklisting

07-31-2018, 08:35 PM	#236
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	I'm not so sure abt that prt For as enjoyable as I find some of the highlights on Monuments (Tiberius, title track, Anus!,) the lows are damn low

07-31-2018, 08:41 PM	#240
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	I don't think it's terrible just pushed pretty hard but I mean JC's drums are still punchy enough for a good sonic kick in the balls so I can't hate on it As for For God & Country, that's one of the songs like Appels + Oranjes where I feel like I'm one of like 5 people who actually really like it and can't understand why that's the case