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Old 01-14-2021, 06:00 PM   #1
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Default Opinions are not facts

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Old 01-14-2021, 07:23 PM   #2
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Can opinions sometimes be facts?

There are clear cases in which opinions are not facts (If I say, "butter is better than margarine," that is clearly my opinion, and not an objective fact), but what if somebody says, "in my opinion, there is more likely than not life in the universe beyond planet Earth," and that somebody turns out to be correct (obviously they are correct in the sense that, if they do indeed believe X, they are correctly reporting that their opinion is X, but I mean the truth value of X, not the truth value of "I believe that X")? Is that opinion, then, a fact? Or was the word "opinion" simply used loosely in this context, as an opinion can only be a normative statement, and not a positive one, true or false?

What about normative statements that have truth values? Many ethical theories, most of them, I would even say, would say that there are such things as "moral facts" (though they may disagree on what these facts are true in virtue of, whether they are socially constructed or relative or whatever). If there are moral facts, and normative statements can be facts, even if all opinions are normative statements, would it be possible that some opinions could still be facts?

 
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Old 01-14-2021, 09:01 PM   #3
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Even facts can sometimes not be factual.

 
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Old 01-14-2021, 10:05 PM   #4
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Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man

 
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Old 01-14-2021, 10:12 PM   #5
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facts don't care about your feelings

 
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Old 01-14-2021, 10:21 PM   #6
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It took me a long time to learn that. But when I did, I realized that my relationship with facts was toxic and ended it.

 
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Old 01-14-2021, 10:31 PM   #7
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Old 01-15-2021, 12:21 PM   #8
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