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Old 02-10-2015, 02:15 PM   #451
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Lukewarm reception has never compromised Billy's thinking going into a follow-up. Never
When Every studio album you put out in the past decade is "Luke warm" then maybe he is starting to consider it

 
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:22 PM   #452
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Each album gets worse and worse so that we can better appreciate the previous one

 
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Old 02-10-2015, 03:18 PM   #453
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every step you take
every album you make!
for every freak there's a "widow wake"
every step you take

 
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Old 02-10-2015, 03:37 PM   #454
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Each album gets worse and worse so that we can better appreciate the previous one
fool proof plan, if your plan is to never sell records ever again.

 
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Old 02-10-2015, 03:41 PM   #455
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When Every studio album you put out in the past decade is "Luke warm" then maybe he is starting to consider it
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Old 02-10-2015, 03:53 PM   #456
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Looks like all but two of the Dark Globe tracks were mixed by Howard Willing, most likely in 2013. Who new old Howard was good for something? Maybe Corgan should switch out him and David Bottrill!
i've been saying this for forever. howard is all over the adore reissue as well. he's not at fault here.

 
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Old 02-10-2015, 04:51 PM   #457
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howard is all over the adore reissue as well.
you can hear what is the mixing assistant (howard willing) and what is Howie Weinberg on the adore reissue?

 
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Old 02-10-2015, 06:25 PM   #458
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i'm not sure what you're asking. well, i think i do, but i want you to say it out loud.

 
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Old 02-10-2015, 07:04 PM   #459
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too bad, I'm only whispering it.

no, I do not know who does what in pumpkinscamp these days.
nor do I know what you mean with "all over the adore reissue."

there's the original Flood stuff, the original Weinberg stuff, then comes whoever mixing (since Willing is only credited as one of 5 assistants on that reissue), then comes Weinberg mastering, and somewhere before that Matt Walker wanks all over it. I can't tell who is to blame for what.

 
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:46 AM   #460
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Topic slipped to 5th page and is the only potentially decent thing on Billy's release schedule.

No posts in 4 months. Over a year since:

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MACHINA REISSUE UPDATE

May 23, 2014

Looking forward to the eventual reissue of a restored and recompiled MACHINA, work has begun on transfers from the original 24 track tapes, as well as a host of select live shows. The effort will be unprecedented for Smashing Pumpkins et al, as Billy Corgan has indicated plans to put the album not only in itís original and intended double/triple album sequence, but has designs on commissioning new remixes of all materials as well. The intention he says is clear: to present MACHINA in the original form in which it was written; or in his words, Ďas a theatrical narrative.í

Other possibilities of coalescing the story exist: including the addition of extant materials such acoustic alternates, re-contextualized soundtrack pieces, and use of spoken word to create an immersive experience.Ē

ďIím also not opposed to asking current artists to participate, singing songs as such on the compositions meant for other characterís voices,Ē Billy adds. ďFinishing what the band started so long ago, and we just didnít have the strength to end.Ē
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UNPRECEDENTED EFFORT.

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Old 06-08-2015, 03:52 AM   #461
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"And on the MACHINA question, unfortunately there's a dispute going on with the label. So for the time being, the reissue is being held up."


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Old 06-08-2015, 10:31 AM   #462
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I'm squinting really hard at today's memorabilia update and trying to take it as a sign they want us to remember it's still coming at some point.

 
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Old 06-09-2015, 09:16 AM   #463
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at least we got the adore let me give the world to you.

 
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Old 06-09-2015, 04:29 PM   #464
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lol i felt bad for the ppl who thought this recording was gonna blow their dicks off... then it came out and was meh. if it was really amazing, it would have been on adore.

 
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Old 06-09-2015, 04:47 PM   #465
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meh? wtf. eat a sweaty pair.

 
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Old 06-09-2015, 09:38 PM   #466
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>yfw the leaks are going to be the closest thing to a machine reissue we get

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 08:27 AM   #467
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who gives a fuck? we got the lover demo, the faeomm bsbt and the siyl speed kills. what more do you want, cunt-face-fucker?

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 08:28 AM   #468
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pug with jimmeh? virex before the deterioration? a badass hmm?

keep dreaming.

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 09:59 AM   #469
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who gives a fuck? we got the lover demo, the faeomm bsbt and the siyl speed kills. what more do you want, cunt-face-fucker?
I'd like them to remix and remaster the Machina 2 tracks so they don't sound like the equivalent of your posts.

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:04 AM   #470
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so ur saying they sound SENESCENT?

fucktard. there is no improving shit like slow dawn and saturnine and home. the lo-fi production slayeth mightily.

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:25 AM   #471
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I gotta agree with Fool here. The lo-fi production is essential to Machina II. It's not even nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I doubt that anyone who complains about the production enjoys listening to anything even remotely lo-fi, regardless of what it contributes to the aesthetic.

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:07 AM   #472
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I gotta agree with Fool here. The lo-fi production is essential to Machina II. It's not even nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I doubt that anyone who complains about the production enjoys listening to anything even remotely lo-fi, regardless of what it contributes to the aesthetic.
When I'm in the mood I like lo-fi M2. Other times I just think it obscures the material. Blur pulled the same thing off with 13, but the songs don't sound tinny and distant. What's the harm in having a clearer version? It won't suddenly delete the shitty rips of M2.

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:39 AM   #473
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I like it mostly

I just want a version of Real Love not buried under synth

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:52 AM   #474
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It's really not that Lo-fi, it just seems that way compared to typical sp album over-production.

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:45 PM   #475
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well said, slunken thou top tier boarder. m2 isn't exactly de mysteriis dom sathanas, is it now?

 
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Old 06-10-2015, 01:12 PM   #476
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There is a difference between lofi and mixed like shit.

 
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Old 06-11-2015, 05:10 AM   #477
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Yeah, lo-fi isn't over-producing a track so it sounds like it's playing from blown speakers in another room while you vacuum the carpet.

 
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Old 06-11-2015, 07:25 AM   #478
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listen to filosofem and get back to me

 
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Old 06-11-2015, 08:51 AM   #479
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Yeah, lo-fi isn't over-producing a track so it sounds like it's playing from blown speakers in another room while you vacuum the carpet.
It has discernible static throughout! I think it's intended to be 'experimental'

 
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Old 06-11-2015, 09:36 AM   #480
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Yeah but that experimentation is an aesthetical choice. They spent a lot of money making it sound like shit.

Lo-fi is just turning up and playing with what you have, cheap and low quality production.

That's the diffference as I understand it. There's a balance and M2 tips to the point where it no longer compliments the mood of the music and just obscures songs that would sound better with mainstream MCIS-style production. On songs like Real Love it doesn't service the song at all.

 
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