Machina Reissue

[Ram27]

Each album gets worse and worse so that we can better appreciate the previous one

[Mals Marola]

every step you take
every album you make!
for every freak there's a "widow wake"
every step you take

[bunny]

Originally Posted by Ram27

Each album gets worse and worse so that we can better appreciate the previous one

fool proof plan, if your plan is to never sell records ever again.

[Grox]

Originally Posted by Modern90's

When Every studio album you put out in the past decade is "Luke warm" then maybe he is starting to consider it

jfc

[slunken]

Originally Posted by werideatdusk

Looks like all but two of the Dark Globe tracks were mixed by Howard Willing, most likely in 2013. Who new old Howard was good for something? Maybe Corgan should switch out him and David Bottrill!

i've been saying this for forever. howard is all over the adore reissue as well. he's not at fault here.

[pavementtune]

Originally Posted by slunken

howard is all over the adore reissue as well.

you can hear what is the mixing assistant (howard willing) and what is Howie Weinberg on the adore reissue?

[slunken]

i'm not sure what you're asking. well, i think i do, but i want you to say it out loud.

[pavementtune]

too bad, I'm only whispering it.

no, I do not know who does what in pumpkinscamp these days.
nor do I know what you mean with "all over the adore reissue."

there's the original Flood stuff, the original Weinberg stuff, then comes whoever mixing (since Willing is only credited as one of 5 assistants on that reissue), then comes Weinberg mastering, and somewhere before that Matt Walker wanks all over it. I can't tell who is to blame for what.

[VoxUpDoc]

Topic slipped to 5th page and is the only potentially decent thing on Billy's release schedule.

No posts in 4 months. Over a year since:

MACHINA REISSUE UPDATE

May 23, 2014

Looking forward to the eventual reissue of a restored and recompiled MACHINA, work has begun on transfers from the original 24 track tapes, as well as a host of select live shows. The effort will be unprecedented for Smashing Pumpkins et al, as Billy Corgan has indicated plans to put the album not only in it’s original and intended double/triple album sequence, but has designs on commissioning new remixes of all materials as well. The intention he says is clear: to present MACHINA in the original form in which it was written; or in his words, ‘as a theatrical narrative.’

Other possibilities of coalescing the story exist: including the addition of extant materials such acoustic alternates, re-contextualized soundtrack pieces, and use of spoken word to create an immersive experience.”

“I’m also not opposed to asking current artists to participate, singing songs as such on the compositions meant for other character’s voices,” Billy adds. “Finishing what the band started so long ago, and we just didn’t have the strength to end.”

Commented in April:

"And on the MACHINA question, unfortunately there's a dispute going on with the label. So for the time being, the reissue is being held up."

UNPRECEDENTED EFFORT.

/DEAD

[dreams of glass]

"And on the MACHINA question, unfortunately there's a dispute going on with the label. So for the time being, the reissue is being held up."

[Shadaloo]

I'm squinting really hard at today's memorabilia update and trying to take it as a sign they want us to remember it's still coming at some point.

[FoolofaTook]

at least we got the adore let me give the world to you.

[zbeast78]

lol i felt bad for the ppl who thought this recording was gonna blow their dicks off... then it came out and was meh. if it was really amazing, it would have been on adore.

[FoolofaTook]

meh? wtf. eat a sweaty pair.

[Ram27]

>yfw the leaks are going to be the closest thing to a machine reissue we get

[FoolofaTook]

who gives a fuck? we got the lover demo, the faeomm bsbt and the siyl speed kills. what more do you want, cunt-face-fucker?

[FoolofaTook]

pug with jimmeh? virex before the deterioration? a badass hmm?

keep dreaming.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

who gives a fuck? we got the lover demo, the faeomm bsbt and the siyl speed kills. what more do you want, cunt-face-fucker?

I'd like them to remix and remaster the Machina 2 tracks so they don't sound like the equivalent of your posts.

[FoolofaTook]

so ur saying they sound SENESCENT?

fucktard. there is no improving shit like slow dawn and saturnine and home. the lo-fi production slayeth mightily.

[Shallowed]

I gotta agree with Fool here. The lo-fi production is essential to Machina II. It's not even nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I doubt that anyone who complains about the production enjoys listening to anything even remotely lo-fi, regardless of what it contributes to the aesthetic.

[VoxUpDoc]

Originally Posted by Shallowed

I gotta agree with Fool here. The lo-fi production is essential to Machina II. It's not even nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I doubt that anyone who complains about the production enjoys listening to anything even remotely lo-fi, regardless of what it contributes to the aesthetic.

When I'm in the mood I like lo-fi M2. Other times I just think it obscures the material. Blur pulled the same thing off with 13, but the songs don't sound tinny and distant. What's the harm in having a clearer version? It won't suddenly delete the shitty rips of M2.

[Ram27]

I like it mostly

I just want a version of Real Love not buried under synth

[slunken]

It's really not that Lo-fi, it just seems that way compared to typical sp album over-production.

[FoolofaTook]

well said, slunken thou top tier boarder. m2 isn't exactly de mysteriis dom sathanas, is it now?

[SlingeroGuitaro]

There is a difference between lofi and mixed like shit.

[VoxUpDoc]

Yeah, lo-fi isn't over-producing a track so it sounds like it's playing from blown speakers in another room while you vacuum the carpet.

[FoolofaTook]

listen to filosofem and get back to me

[Funbags]

Originally Posted by Woody

Yeah, lo-fi isn't over-producing a track so it sounds like it's playing from blown speakers in another room while you vacuum the carpet.

It has discernible static throughout! I think it's intended to be 'experimental'

[VoxUpDoc]

Yeah but that experimentation is an aesthetical choice. They spent a lot of money making it sound like shit.

Lo-fi is just turning up and playing with what you have, cheap and low quality production.

That's the diffference as I understand it. There's a balance and M2 tips to the point where it no longer compliments the mood of the music and just obscures songs that would sound better with mainstream MCIS-style production. On songs like Real Love it doesn't service the song at all.

[Trotskilicious]

i figured the difference between lo fi and sounding like shit was that you could actually get good production out of shitty equipment if you knew how to do it?