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Old 06-10-2020, 06:32 PM   #181
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This thread went from being about the band being silent on the Civil Rights Abuses of recent times to Billy being a POS to analyzing Forgotten Child's politics to comedians to Took peeing on the rug. Nice.

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:40 PM   #182
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And then there are people who claim it is incoherent.

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:45 PM   #183
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From Wikipedia,

"He is a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage and homosexuality,[3][4] abortion,[5] affirmative action,[6] drug liberalization[7] and secularism.[7] In foreign policy, he has advocated closer relations to the United States[8] and Israel.[9] During the 2018 presidential campaign, he started to advocate for economic liberal and pro-market policies.[10] A polarizing and controversial politician, his views and comments, which have been described as far-right and populist in nature, have drawn both praise and criticism in Brazil.[11][12][13][14] During his presidency, he has pushed a rollback of protections for indigenous groups in the Amazon rainforest[15] and facilitated its destruction through deforestation.[16]"


So I guess what Forgotten Child meant by "mixed bag" was that Bolsonaro is left wing economically despite being a fascist socially? But then again Forgotten Child is right wing economically and left wing socially (the exact opposite of Bolsonaro) by his own admission, so that would be a weird stance.

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:45 PM   #184
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Took isn't that offensive. At worst he's insensitive at times, like the time he enraged posters in the Fed-Uprising thread by continuously making jokes while the rest of us were saying fuck the police comin' straight from the underground.
I like how he didnt deny the "forgot to be funny" part.

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:47 PM   #185
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Forgotten Child, explain plz.

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 06:57 PM   #186
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It sounded like he was saying that before the president's recent economic right turn, he voted largely the same way as the party that preceded him, his primary electoral opponents.

I don't know enough about Brazilian politics to try to take this guy on the internet to task for not voting in the last Brazilian election, especially if he himself doesn't like the current Brazilian president.

But the whole "Corgan is right to compare BLM to the KKK… actually, I didn't mean that, because I didn't even read the post, because I'm so used to this particular poster misquoting Corgan that I naturally assumed that she didn't misquote him this time and was responding to the man's original vague, equivocal words" is pretty weak and reeks of tergiversation.

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 07:00 PM   #187
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in fact, it reeks of "The one you reply to stuff people never said, but actually did, that I never read, but actually did. Basically, I don't agree or disagree, quite the opposite actually."

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 07:30 PM   #188
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the only mixed bag forgotten child should be concerned with are DEEZ NUTS

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 07:47 PM   #189
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Forgotten Child, explain plz.
I'm really avoiding coming back to this thread. I think we're only repeating ourselves here. I'm only reply to you cause you seem genuinely interested. Just a few examples:

As a congressman for nearly 30 years, when it came to economic projects, Bolsonaro used to vote with the left wing parties most of the time. He was still advocating against privatisation and pension reform in Brazil while in pre-campaign (2018) – which means he only "changed" his mind recently. Even after that, he dehydrated the pension reform and is holding back a few other so promised reforms, and is now forming a coalition with the centrist parties.

While he was always very critical of Brazil's biggest social welfare program, there was a R$ 3.1 billion increase in the Bolsa Família budget in he's first year at office, and it was extended to more than 1.5 million and a half families. They're now discussing a new program, which apparently will be even bigger than Bolsa Família.

He praised both Pinochet and Hugo Chavez in the past .

That's what I mean by "mixed bag". He's a typical populist leader, they all are seduced by power and will try to entice you to support them, even if he needs to change his positions every now and again.

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Old 06-10-2020, 08:07 PM   #190
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I'm really avoiding coming back to this thread. I think we're only repeating ourselves here. I'm only reply to you cause you seem genuinely interested. Just a few examples:

As a congressman for nearly 30 years, when it came to economic projects, Bolsonaro used to vote with the left wing parties most of the time. He was still advocating against privatisation and pension reform in Brazil while in pre-campaign (2018) – which means he only "changed" his mind recently. Even after that, he dehydrated the pension reform and is holding back a few other so promised reforms, and is now forming a coalition with the centrist parties.

While he was always very critical of Brazil's biggest social welfare program, there was a R$ 3.1 billion increase in the Bolsa Família budget in he's first year at office, and it was extended to more than 1.5 million and a half families. They're now discussing a new program, which apparently will be even bigger than Bolsa Família.

He praised both Pinochet and Hugo Chavez in the past .

That's what I mean by "mixed bag". He's a typical populist leader, they all are seduced by power and will try to entice you to support them, even if he needs to change his positions every now and again.
Ok, I'm just confused because it seems like his views are opposite yours both socially and economically. Although maybe he's moving closer towards your views economically now?

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 08:40 PM   #191
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I don't know enough about Forgotten Child's history to give an opinion on the calls of fascism, but he seems to have clearly stated that he's not a Bolsonaro supporter, so what is it you're trying to understand exactly?

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 09:13 PM   #192
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Ok, I'm just confused because it seems like his views are opposite yours both socially and economically. Although maybe he's moving closer towards your views economically now?
I believe his Minister of the Economy, Paulo Guedes, is closer towards my views, but Bolsonaro himself isn't genuinely like him and could fire him whenever he feels threatened, and switch back to his former views. It happened to his Minister of Justice and Public Securit, a former federal judge, who resigned last month. Some Brazilian libertarians bought that change, I didn't.

I don't regret not supporting either Bolsonaro or the Workers Party, by the way which had been in the office for the past 16 years and led one of the biggest corrupt scandals in history. We had 11 other candidates, but their supporters decided to bring them both for the second round, and then they bullied everybody else into voting for their own candidate, not because you trusted either, but because "how could you allow such and such person to become the president!?". Voting is compulsory in Brazil

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 09:35 PM   #193
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I keep telling myself one day I'll explore more stand up comedians. I love George Carlin. I like what I've heard from Dave Chappelle (not always stand up though) and Bill Hicks. For more modern people I've briefly listened to stand up bits of, I liked Michael Che from SNL. Melissa Villaseńor from SNL is adorable and funny too. I'll have to check out Patrice O'Neal whenever I finally decide to really start exploring standup in depth. Do you have any other recommendations?
Hannibal Burress, Bill Burr, David Cross

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 09:36 PM   #194
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And then there are people who claim it is incoherent.
the thing with a thread like this is that, after the initial premise has been responded to, there's really nowhere to go and we start having the thing some boarders seem to fear more than death itself: an actual conversation

 
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Hannibal Burress, Bill Burr, David Cross
I love Burress.

I'd add Stewart Lee, Steven Wright, Mitch Hedberg, Daniel Simonsen… Sebastian Maniscalco had a good special, but I haven't found anything else from him equally funny yet.

And damn it, I'm sorry, but I still find Louis CK really funny. I still condemn all that bad stuff he did, though.

 
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Old 06-10-2020, 10:46 PM   #196
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I like Maniscalco when he's really digging into the disgruntled Italian classic comedian thing, but yeah his last special was produced like an EDM concert

& yeah, Louis is one of the best of all time. sleazy personal activities from the mid-2000s don't detract from how fucking good those specials are

 
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Old 06-11-2020, 06:25 AM   #197
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I love Burress.

I'd add Stewart Lee, Steven Wright, Mitch Hedberg, Daniel Simonsen… Sebastian Maniscalco had a good special, but I haven't found anything else from him equally funny yet.

And damn it, I'm sorry, but I still find Louis CK really funny. I still condemn all that bad stuff he did, though.
Sigh. Yes. Louis. Horace and Pete was so great, and my guts literally ached for days after I saw him live in 2012. It breaks my heart that he did those shitty things and then didn't atone for it and is now basically an alt-right comedian.

 
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Old 06-11-2020, 06:26 AM   #198
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Also I can't stand Bill Burr. COME AT ME!

 
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Old 06-11-2020, 06:27 AM   #199
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now basically an alt-right comedian.
I hope this is not true. if so, I don't want to know it

 
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Ok.

 
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Shhh nobody tell smashingjj that Louis CK is basically an alt-right comedian now.

 
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Old 06-11-2020, 08:00 AM   #204
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Lol how unimportant the sp became. Noone besides me or a handful others fuckers care about vol.2.
For the rest of the world the sp have become an embarrassing estranged thing. The music has developed into vollkommener Dreck.

 
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Blame the brazilian people and americans for supporting a fascist president. Congrats...very clever

 
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HOW FUCKING DARE YOU

the world at large waits with Bated breath for shiny heino 2

i don't ever want to see you suggesting otherwise again, ok?

 
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Also I can't stand Bill Burr. COME AT ME!
you know, i probably would have slotted you pretty comfortably in my Top 5 Current Boarders list up until you made these 2 posts here

you're still probably on the list, just maybe not so comfortably

 
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probably, maybe

take a fucking stance Goldberg am I right?

 
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here's your stance:

TEAM SHINY HEINO 2, BABY, WOO

 
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Old 06-11-2020, 08:33 AM   #210
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I just realised I'm over waiting for the Machina and Zwan re-issue. Like I used to get a tiny bit of excitement whenever there was an update, but these days... Billy is such a monumentally unpleasant and vile fucking cunt and his new music is so consistently horrible, I don't care.

I'd brace yourselves for a ton of dirt to come out once he carks it and cannot threaten people with his big boy lawyers.

Fuck Billy Corgan.

 
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