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12-01-2013, 11:07 PM | #181 |
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the way i see it netphoria should be paying me
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12-01-2013, 11:12 PM | #182 | |
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we're talking about basic compensation for photography and you're trying to act like you're entitled to free shit whatever, fuck you! |
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12-01-2013, 11:14 PM | #183 |
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Fucking hell, Trots, that's how the law works.
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12-01-2013, 11:38 PM | #184 |
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12-01-2013, 11:50 PM | #185 |
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That was in reference to Trots' comment. He wouldn't be sued by Tina Fey or Steve Buschemi because anything they do on, what I'm assuming is from SNL, is owned by SNL, whose rights are owned by NBC. And if NBC wanted to go after a bunch of fan sites they technically could, they just wouldn't because there's no money in it.
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12-01-2013, 11:59 PM | #186 | |
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Now that he has quit, I wonder if Billy will ever release that book of his. Seems like a waste to spend two years writing it and then abandon it because he feels "under-appreciated." |
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12-02-2013, 12:29 AM | #187 | |
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12-02-2013, 12:49 AM | #188 |
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I'm not and I never said that. 30 Rock is still copyrighted and your use of it on a fan site still allows the law to sue people who use it without permission. I'm arguing on the principle that Bystarlight serves the same function that Infinite Pictures did, which is a harmless fan site that compiled a database of photographs for archival purposes. Bystarlight took the extra step to ensure that all known photographers were credited and disclaimers were added, nothing was used for commercial purposes. With the way things unfolded, it appears to me that a photographer wanted more than just having their photographs taken down. Now it does get into the gray here, but that's where I feel it crosses the line. I personally don't mind people using my work without compensating me as long as it is not used for commercial purposes, which does color my stance on this.
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12-02-2013, 01:15 AM | #189 |
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it just seems like "concert photography" is constantly being bumped down to amateur level where nobody ever gets paid for anything unless you're hip and you know a guy at pitchfork or something
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12-02-2013, 01:19 AM | #190 |
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Well on the other hand, good shots that are 20 years old are just being archived, no profit whatsoever. And photogs threaten to sue. I mean what the hell. With the current state of SP those pics would never surface anywhere else, because nobody would pay to use them. So why not allow a fanpage to archive your old pics - with credits - before nobody ever looks at it again.
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12-02-2013, 01:27 AM | #191 |
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i think what i'm getting at is that these photographers are poor and the internet is using all of their work for free
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12-02-2013, 01:28 AM | #192 |
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print doesn't pay anybody anything when they can find an image with no watermark by trolling flicker
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12-02-2013, 03:26 AM | #193 |
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It's this - making profit off something else someone created while they receive no compensation whatsoever is wrong. If you could prove that someone was profiting off your copyright, you would be 100% legally covered. But, here in a America, due to how we value free speech and the ability to quote and remix old forms into new forms for the sake of art, criticism, commentary, and expression, the onus must be on the originator of the work to prove wrongdoing or harm. Shit like SOPA (which thankfully, did not pass...though other, similarly provisioned "free trade" bills are currently pending of course) attempts to completely reverse that relationship so the onus is always on the user/archiver/satirist/documentarian, etc. to prove that they are NOT doing anything intrinsically wrong or illegal.
Simply putting ton of images that were already floating around freely out there, in addition to those which people VOLUNTARILY submitted/uploaded, in a single accessible place so that they can be viewed hardly seems threatening or lawbreaking in any fashion. If you tried to use any of those images in any commercial way whatsoever (such as a site that generated revenue as a business) someone could still rightly sue the shit out of you. I've had to pay for use of stock images on a commercial website and that seems fair enough. Also, if you want a truly quality print the publisher will always have control of that - unless they were so stupid as to publish a lossless graphic format photo directly to the internet for everyone to access and download freely to create their own glossy 8x12 prints. However I suspect that many of these online stock photo sites probably pay the photographers pennies on the dollar for their work. Again it's the middleman siphoning a majority of the profits away from the actual creator of the work because they can. That's how it always seems to function. |
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12-02-2013, 03:39 AM | #194 |
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and what is your solution to this? is there one?
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12-02-2013, 04:13 AM | #195 |
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I feel the gross imbalance would decrease immediately and at least somewhat upon just getting decent people in positions of political leadership from which they are now precluded due to pissing off all the wrong people who would give them money enough to run viably for such a position. Which of course is really an issue of all the quasi-bribery that goes on at the congressional level and within pretty much any federal regulatory agency it seems. Start with a real fucking democracy, that would be start. Have laws authored by actual autonomous beings and not corporate sponsors/patrons. Meaningful changes could flow from there. Not to denigrate the frankly courageous mayors and cities that have stepped out to defy their state governments or even the federal government on issues such as expanded broadband connectivity, living wages, marijuana legalization or gay marriage. It is in these changes where I am seeing hope.
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12-02-2013, 04:32 AM | #196 |
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Politics are basically just a tool where I come from, and nothing else. There is no interest to run a country as actual democracy.
But hey, maybe Texas is completely different. And you'll see a working democracy in your lifetime. Something that keeps failing since, um, Athens 500 B.C.? (Don't shoot me trots, accurate history dates are not my thing.) |
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12-02-2013, 04:40 AM | #197 |
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sounds about right.
to the wikipedia! |
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12-02-2013, 04:41 AM | #198 |
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yep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Ancient_origins "Led by Cleisthenes, Athenians established what is generally held as the first democracy in 508-507 BCE." |
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12-02-2013, 04:49 AM | #199 |
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Reprise life lesson: Unless you are EXTREMELY lucky as well as ridiculously benevolent and intelligent (and even then), you will only be able to help those who you 1) interact with personally or 2) interact with directly or indirectly in a small sub-field of society
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12-02-2013, 04:53 AM | #200 |
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like it is possible to make changes and shit like legalizing pot is really awesome i'm not trying to be facetious, but like wowzers too bad about all them homeless people at least they can smoke pot
i mean big picture less people will become homeless of the cascade of being caught with pot and charged with some ridiculous felony and then not be able to get a job with a record and etc etc and that really is something good and something to be proud of so who am i to shit in your sandwich really |
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12-02-2013, 08:58 AM | #201 |
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I went to a copyright seminar.
The lawyer on the panel said that copyright laws were created to protect the artist so that they were able to make money off their artwork to create future art. However, as many laws there are grey areas and is an old law. It was never intended to be used to extort money from fans who are just passionate about the band. It needs to be updated to protect fans. Fans who create elaborate websites like bystarlight actually aid the artist to make money. It is unfortunate that one photographer was such a cunty bitch. I still think bystarlight, should have let Billy know what happened. I am pretty sure he would have been pissed, since no one shits on his fans but him. A lawyer letter from his bff who is an attorney would have shut that guy up. |
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12-05-2013, 08:59 PM | #202 | ||
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I'm not arguing for reliance upon individual actions solve things, not at all. (It tangentially reminds me of the delusional "charities will solve everything" mentality which conveniently ignores that charities can't pool the billions of dollars in money, resources, and logistics necessary which will go missing if you cut off every government entitlement/welfare/subsidy/etc. and rely purely upon voluntary contribution.) But a multitude of actions over time collectively DO work, even if it is terribly messy and takes a good long while to see the effects. I mean, I DO think the gay marriage thing is a really good example here because the vast majority of people over a decade ago couldn't even conceive of such a thing, yet, here we are and city by city, state by state, it is happening, and even the federal judiciaries now seem to be on board with defending the new and enlightened understanding of secular marriage which a statistical majority of the country now supports. Same thing with pot. Same thing with a number of living wage measures taken up by individual cities. People have had it and the tide is starting to change in a number of areas which desperately need attention. It happens because on some level it is actually possible to change things within one's most localized sphere of influence, simply because the numbers required to reach "critical mass" is so much smaller at the local level, and it is that much less difficult to be the loudest voice and raise holy hell on a particular issue. (Walkouts, strikes, public stunts, civil disobedience all included.) Sometimes at this level particular positions have yet to become politicized so clearly to one side or another (neighbors and all) that individuals are willing to stand on the "other side of the fence" without feeling like they are betraying their overall affiliation or whatever, just because, on a human-to-human level, it feels like the right thing to support. Sometimes the outside influence also has less effect, or is simply not as engaged (read: using extremely well connected special interest groups to throw money and propaganda into the fight) as they may become once it reaches the national level of "change threat". "Change threat" tends to bring the sharks right out of the deep. Quote:
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12-05-2013, 09:18 PM | #203 |
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aare you fucking serious
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12-05-2013, 09:51 PM | #204 | |
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ok so i read your post and understand your points but i dont know where this is going
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but yeah i dont even know if that's what we're talking about and i refuse to re-read the thread |
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12-05-2013, 10:09 PM | #205 | |
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12-05-2013, 10:14 PM | #206 |
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When you boil over with sarcasm like that it is really hard to interpret what in particular has offended your sensibilities, or even your actual sincere opinion. Like you always think I am trying to rub you the wrong way of something.
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12-06-2013, 05:23 AM | #207 |
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He has no horse in this race. Ignore him.
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12-06-2013, 05:34 AM | #208 |
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