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Old 01-15-2009, 07:14 PM   #151
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and even that hast he title track which is fucking awesome

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:15 PM   #152
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also he didn't belittle his fans, be it jokingly or not

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:20 PM   #153
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Jim Morrison was a drug addled ponce.

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:37 PM   #154
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Actually there are some pretty famous instants of Morrison being belligerant and antagonistic towards his fans (though the story of Jomo and the Smoothies might have been his finest, most redeeming moment), or crashing other bands show and behaving like a loutish lunatic. Then there is Roger Waters, arguably the geatest songwriter of all-time, who actualy took it so far that he spat in a fans face at one concert in 1977. A lot the fascism themes of the Wall derive from his experience as an increasingly alienated, cynical frontman with a disintegrating conscience on the Animals tour. In Billy's case I think we just have to accept that he is weird, paradoxical, and occaisionally delusional. I liked the Hour interview because he seemed more relaxed, liked he'd be in private conversation among freinds, than the akward, self-contradicting guy ranting on stage on this most recent tour.

...>The Soft Parade is the only Doors album I don't have (having been informed by freinds that it indeed sucks) so I can't really comment on it. In my mind they were perfect on S/T and Strange Days, but a lot of the albums afteward contained bloated, filler songs with terrible lyrics. Robby Kreigers "Love Her Madly" comes to mind. But then I have to concede there are songs like "Roadhouse Blues", "Riders on the Storm", and "Not to Touch the Earth" which are classics.

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:43 PM   #155
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we're comparing billy corgan to jim Morrison now?
wow
no more competing with artists still alive like radiohead and trent....
i bet billy would be proud.


boston was the biggest influence on siamese dream. are any of those guys dead?

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:04 PM   #156
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we're comparing billy corgan to jim Morrison now?
wow
no more competing with artists still alive like radiohead and trent....
i bet billy would be proud.


boston was the biggest influence on siamese dream. are any of those guys dead?
Too be fair it should be volunteered that the act of comparing frontman based upon material that one has recently been exposed too without regard for the idea that anachronistic relationships would blow anyones mind should be duly noted.

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:07 PM   #157
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Jim Morrison was a drug addled ponce.
Who happened to make fantastic, compelling music. If you take the American Idol approach to evaluating your musical icons I can see how it would matter.

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:05 PM   #158
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jim morrison made music? i thought he just wrote poetry?

 
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:17 PM   #159
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yeah sp would be just as great if they were all instrumental huh guys

 
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Old 01-16-2009, 08:15 AM   #160
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No, he's had and continues to have that but he's still whining. Why?

Why do you defend it?

I don't care if he wants to do TFE or Zwan or whatever, just don't complain when they don't sell great. Just do your thing and just fucking do it.

This isn't about whether or not I thought Zeitgeist was shitty or not. This is about what he's said. How do you turn a blind eye to this behavior? I'm not criticizing the music, I'm criticizing his behavior and what he says. It's intolerable.
alright, can you be more presice on what he said to you then , the circumstance and all?

All I saw and know is on the videos on youtube,some review etc...so I've seen his response on stage, or after the show where ,as you said ,he said basicaly "non happy" fans to fuck off.
It's not to defend him, but I just undestand his answer to that kind of fans..
come on , we all know he is giving all his life to do his music and shows...that he takes it very seriously....and some fans keep yelling " your show sucks, play Cherub rock, or Zero or disarm or whatever" all the way....
So you can imagine that of course it's very frustrating and disapointing for him to always have a group of people that keep complaining while the show and after loudly for what ?...a setlist.
I just understand that at the end he says "fuck off" to that people that are actually not fan anymore, or fan of something he's not anymore...I won't make you learn that everyone change and need to move forward...so understand he doesn't want to be stuck on his previous song, witch apparently has still kept singging by the way, for his fans...

I don't defend him, as I keep saying, he is a human, with his mood and wanting, so like everybody when someone disapoint him, he's not happy...and if you insult him, he can insult you back THAT'S ALL
I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm just saying that I understand...
If you're an artist and I keep following you and saying "what the hell are you doing that's sucks!!!, you should do that or that, come on fucker I paid for you DO THAT , BE LIKE THAT or give my money back!! " how will you react? seriously

For me, it's the first time I see fans so openly "mad" at a band...they did fingers all the way in the shows apparently, insulting him too, so how do you want him to react?

I think he explains well his point of view in this interview.

so if you have your reason to be mad alright , he has his too...that's all I'm saying

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Old 01-16-2009, 10:58 AM   #161
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Was he referring to Breaking Benjamin in the Korn/Label story?
Maybe. Or Taproot more likely?

I dunno, BB's first album didn't sound particularly pop-rocky, it was fairly heavy for their kind of band.

 
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Old 01-16-2009, 01:02 PM   #162
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Maybe. Or Taproot more likely?

I dunno, BB's first album didn't sound particularly pop-rocky, it was fairly heavy for their kind of band.
mmm. Korn was big in like 98-99. This had to be before BB or Taproot...

 
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Old 01-16-2009, 01:47 PM   #163
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I'm feeling great bro. Like G-R-E-A-T. I taught kids about John Brown today and got them excited about history.

Usually people don't really give a shit what other people say and appreciate the fans they have. Corgan seems to wish he had more fans and was more respected. It's like he's never happy with what he's had or what he still has. He should be thankful and greatful that he's lived such a charmed life. And as far as this ridiculous total cost breakdown, does Rod Blagojevich owe every person that voted for him? Of course he does. You can't go "oh well you really have no excuse to criticize Blago beause after all you were just one vote." THat's a fucking stupid thing to say, and I voted for the Smashing Pumpkins every time I bought tickets, bought a CD, or bought a tee-shirt. All I'm asking in return is for him to stop whining about people attacking him.

And why is this always the debate? Why are there people out there that still think that nobody should ever say anything bad ever? You want to live in China or what?

Why do people apologize and make excuses for this guy? You don't think there's any correlation between what he says and his ever declining respet of people at large? I had friends of mine laughing about "we're a singles band" and they don't even like the Pumpkins and they didn't hear about it from me. He's a fucking laughing stock and Billy's whining about how he's not relevant or super popular anymore is a major reason why.

I mean JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. Is there any bigger anus in the whole of rock music outside of Axl Rose? And why can't I say this? Because it hurts your feelings? Because you don't agree? Lord in heaven.

And lastly, I've had and continue to get plenty of nasty low blow attacks on me on the internet. Do I go out and complain about how people on the internet are making fun of me? NO BECAUSE IT'S THE INTERNET AND I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT THEY THINK.
a-fucking-men

the incessantly whining self-important jackass routine doesn't fly when you're not making great records. it's gotten pretty pathetic.

and yet i still believe in him. go fig.

..btw the doors kicked ass.

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Old 01-16-2009, 05:52 PM   #164
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yeah sp would be just as great if they were all instrumental huh guys
well we all know billy wrote/played everything himself

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:47 AM   #165
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You will never change him. Stop caring about how he annoys you. You just want to control him to an ideal you feel is right. Wether your ideal is correct, or not, is irrelevant to reality.
You are not his parent, and you are not his friend. If you dislike the "beautiful celebrity", be a grown-up with a sane mind, and move on.
The phrase, get a life, is such a cliche, it falls on deaf ears...pity.
You will never change him, or influence his behavior.

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 09:01 AM   #166
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does anyone want the uncut interview from the site?? redbull, cool as?

its ~100MB so might take me a while to upload

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 09:18 AM   #167
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does anyone want the uncut interview from the site?? redbull, cool as?

its ~100MB so might take me a while to upload
for sure
you managed to capture it?

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:07 AM   #168
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:52 AM   #169
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You will never change him. Stop caring about how he annoys you. You just want to control him to an ideal you feel is right. Wether your ideal is correct, or not, is irrelevant to reality.
You are not his parent, and you are not his friend. If you dislike the "beautiful celebrity", be a grown-up with a sane mind, and move on.
The phrase, get a life, is such a cliche, it falls on deaf ears...pity.
You will never change him, or influence his behavior.
You will never change them. Stop caring about how they annoy you. You just want to control them to an ideal you feel is right. Wether [sic] your ideal is correct, or not, is irrelevant to reality.
You are not their parent, and you are not their friend. If you dislike the "casual fans", be a grown-up with a sane mind, and move on.
The phrase, get a life, is such a cliche, it falls on deaf ears... pity.
You will never change them, or influence their behavior.

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:32 PM   #170
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does anyone want the uncut interview from the site?? redbull, cool as?

its ~100MB so might take me a while to upload
Yes! Please upload!

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:45 PM   #171
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for sure
you managed to capture it?
yeah, i managed after a bit of hassle. Enjoy sir

Send big files the easy way. Files too large for email attachments? No problem!

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 03:25 PM   #172
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thanks lucid

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 08:33 PM   #173
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He's one of those people who insists that he doesn't care about what people say or think about him etc but still finds a way to make it blatantly clear that he takes all this criticism so personally.

Paradox!

 
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Old 01-17-2009, 11:36 PM   #174
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Who happened to make fantastic, compelling music.
John Densmore
Ray Manzarek
Robby Krieger

dunno if you heard of them

 
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still no PMs from billy about when he's going to strangle me

 
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ANY MINUTE NOW!

 
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still no PMs from billy about when he's going to strangle me
You just feel threatened because Billy called you out, got some laughs at your expense, and did it without seeming whiny and while showing justification. He's not like most of us because he'll call you on your crap even when turning the other cheek would be the easier way out. There's a great irony in the unexpected folly of your responses literally illustrating Billy's point. In your 15 minutes once every couple of weeks diatribes, how much immature passion have you expended in the name of your self-important, indignant need to tell Billy what he gets to be mad about concerning the musical pursuits he's literally given his life to? It scares me that you apparently teach children. You don't have to be like that you know. It's your choice every step of the way, starting now.

 
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still no PMs from billy about when he's going to strangle me
strangle you ???

No no, punch you in your fucking face he said....

 
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John Densmore
Ray Manzarek
Robby Krieger

dunno if you heard of them
I can see it now... The "Find the Next Doors Singer, on FOX!" reality show where they can painstakingly comb through dozens of bland, untalented, genuinely nice people to rightfully give the Doors the frontman they've always needed to take them to the next level.

 
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