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Old 08-09-2017, 01:27 PM   #1
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Default Mapping the tempo of Jellybelly throughout the MCIS tour

This is the nerdiest thing I've ever done



I took the tempo from the main riff, the thing that's 0:15 seconds into the studio version.

This is the fastest ever (original lineup) Jellybelly: https://archive.org/details/tsp1996-02-29.walkman.ana1

 
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Old 08-09-2017, 01:39 PM   #2
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this is precisely my shit. thanks dude.

 
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Old 08-09-2017, 02:43 PM   #3
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This is pretty cool

 
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:44 PM   #4
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In my fantasy, the board is full of content like this, and posts about how much [insert random user here] sucks are banned by active and friendly mods.

I guess in my fantasy the band is also still well-liked and good.

 
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Old 08-09-2017, 11:26 PM   #5
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Cool

 
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Old 08-09-2017, 11:39 PM   #6
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This is the fastest ever (original lineup) Jellybelly: https://archive.org/details/tsp1996-02-29.walkman.ana1
Unsurprisingly, the Geek USA they play two songs later is also fucking blazing fast.

(Until Billy and D'arcy banter in the slow part lol)

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 03:00 AM   #7
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what a strange thing to do

no judgement though, i just don't get it.

what about that appeals to you so much, Ram27?

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 06:57 AM   #8
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Very cool, thanks !

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:39 AM   #9
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This is really neat. I didn't actually realize they haven't properly brought out JB live since '97, yikes

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:07 PM   #10
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what a strange thing to do

no judgement though, i just don't get it.

what about that appeals to you so much, Ram27?
It's just interesting from a technical standpoint. SP always likes to speed songs up live (remember that crazy fast Fuck You at the last metro show), and this is probably the most challenging song in the rotation for the MCIS tour (at least for the drums), so it's cool to see the progression throughout the tour

 
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Old 08-10-2017, 09:30 PM   #11
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jimmy just wanted to leave the show sooner than normal and do more dangerous things

 
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no idea this existed. pretty funny.

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:03 AM   #13
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living makes me sick
so sick i wish i'd die

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:09 AM   #14
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who's that band jb?

it's incredible how just having jimmy there makes it go "THIS IS PUMPKINS"

 
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it's jimmy and a group of kids with parents who spent a lot of money to send them to rock and roll summer camp

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:56 AM   #16
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no idea this existed. pretty funny.
Jesus tap-dancing christ! The kid on bass is blowing it.

Also, Ram27 can you pls share a good quality recording of Matt playing Jellybelly? I don't seem to recall hearing a bootleg with him playing drums on that... my interest is piqued.

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:21 AM   #17
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In my fantasy, the board is full of content like this, and posts about how much [insert random user here] sucks are banned by active and friendly mods.

I guess in my fantasy the band is also still well-liked and good.
slurpee sucks

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:50 AM   #18
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this is the only semi-decent recording: https://archive.org/details/tsp1996-...11-12d1t09.shn Matt kinda cheats the intro here and doesn't play the snare rolls. That's the first recorded version

Here's the last time he did JB: https://archive.org/details/tsp1997-...-01-25t03.flac Played the snare rolls that time

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:38 AM   #19
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i think to get an accurate measurement, you should sample the whole song and not just the intro.

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:55 AM   #20
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cause the tempo does fluctuate a lot

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:26 AM   #21
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:21 PM   #22
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what's ur myspace

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:23 PM   #23
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lol this one? https://myspace.com/mickyshambles

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 04:22 PM   #24
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JellyBelly is such a fun song to play on guitar, and I say that as someone who mainly plays drums.

 
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Old 08-11-2017, 04:22 PM   #25
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i think to get an accurate measurement, you should sample the whole song and not just the intro.
Yeah I was thinking about that. Obviously a big part of the SP sound and how Jimmy plays is how much the tempo fluctuates. I was just doing this by hand (the intro seemed like a nice way to represent intended tempo), if there was a site to plug mp3s into I'd try that. I posted one on here a while back but that's gone now, it seems like.

I think the ideal would be a BPM graph of the whole song for each date, laid out in a way that ties the beginnings and ends together

 
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:10 AM   #26
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nothing. I didn't know you back then.

 
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:46 PM   #27
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Can I see this in a pie chart?

 
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Old 08-15-2017, 12:17 PM   #28
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Great work, Ram. This stuff is extremely my shit. I actually came back here to look for your thread on the tab for the live Ruby outro.

I think it's important to note that the fastest ever Jellybelly was at the Bangkok show, the same night Jimmy and Jonathan OD'd for the first time. I think the whole band indulged in something(s) before the show - they play SO fucking fast and Billy is a bit of a space cadet. it's a great show to listen to. also, going into this Jellybelly, Jimmy sounds uncharacteristically... sloppy? out of it? like he's just hitting his snare drum over and over, it's the one Pumpkins show I've heard where Jimmy sounds even just a *little* out of whack, which is remarkable considering what he was up to all those years.

 
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Old 08-15-2017, 01:26 PM   #29
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That's a really good point. I skipped over that part when making this, but yeah, it sounds very uncharacteristic, especially compared to the Gent version from the reissue. Wish the recording was better....around this time they'd start Jelly with Jimmy playing the intro by himself once then the rest of the band joins in...it sounds kinda fucked here, like Billy comes in early or James comes in late or something. and I think this is the only time Jimmy's ever 'cheated' the intro like that, not playing the snare rolls between the accents, but just hitting the snare and crash on the accents

 
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Old 08-15-2017, 03:41 PM   #30
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i don't remember that particular night, but possibly old jim was digging the void, know what i mean?

 
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