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Old 06-08-2014, 11:33 PM   #1
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Default Bands that ripped off the Pumpkins sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q0DOWZRksI

Nudeswirl, "F-Sharp".
This thing was a single in 93. Play it backwards, and it says "I am one as you are three".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVfwMAOrt8

Rust "Not Today"
"We like the sound of "Siamese Dream", but our song is "Not Today", not "Today"!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC85b66d0_Y

Bush "Alien" (1994)
It always make me laugh when people defend "Sixteen Stone", "hell no!, Bush were not a Nirvana ripoff!". Sure! They also copied Pearl Jam and the Pumpkins, big time (the intro...).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx6UpOydkoY

Dig "Believe" (1993)
Something in the guitar attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxyJa94AKqA

Dolly "Quand l'herbe nous dévore" (1997).
Hey, we're french, always catching up late...We have a guitar player who jumps around on stage James style, and 10 seconds into the song, this our cross between "1979" and the last seconds of "Starla".

 
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Old 06-08-2014, 11:35 PM   #2
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Old 06-08-2014, 11:57 PM   #3
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sound familiar?


 
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:39 AM   #4
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Bif Naked played at a euro festival in 98, in the tv feature she talked about how stoked she was to play in the opening line-up for the Pumpkins because huge fan blabla.
SPACEMAN

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:41 AM   #5
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i hope she dies

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:28 AM   #6
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Are you saying they intentionally did this?

The I Am One one is blatant, but the others just sound like good songs that are slightly similar to Pumpkins stuff.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:37 AM   #7
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I fucking hate Bush.

I'll turn on a Pumpkins song and my friends are like "hey this sounds like Bush, you should check out Bush"

AHHHHH

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:52 AM   #8
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and that was when i truly felt old

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 02:38 AM   #9
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Are you saying they intentionally did this?
that bif naked song is too deliberate to be anything else

it's like remember this song:



well there's this from FUCKING ARTISTS


 
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Old 06-09-2014, 02:38 AM   #10
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did bill just go whatever i got all this money bif naked is retarded anyway i'm not going to sue

or more like

"what money does bif naked have anyway?"

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:54 AM   #11
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Silversun Pickups were at least heavily inspired by the Pumpkins' pianoforte sound, if not ripping it off directly. Fun fact: I really enjoy SSPU.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:30 AM   #12
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i like SSPU i think they've gotten better with each album. Didn't they deny even knowing about siamese dream? They use a lot of the same chords as billy used.

I don't think bush sounds like pumpkins. I remember people saying that feeder song sounded pumpinky.


 
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:27 AM   #13
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Silversun Pickups were at least heavily inspired by the Pumpkins' pianoforte sound, if not ripping it off directly. Fun fact: I really enjoy SSPU.
at some point people have to realize the difference between "inspired by" and "ripped off" and it's the difference between SSPU and the Bif Naked song in this thread.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:30 AM   #14
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Of course, some of these songs are intentional.

Billy Corgan sued Collective Soul because he felt that "Shine" was a ripoff of "Drown" I believe, and lost the case. https://ia600305.us.archive.org/32/i...-02t07_vbr.mp3 Listen at 6:20. I bet he had not heard Nudeswirl. If anything, "Shine" reminds me more of"Rhinoceros"...

Thanks for Bif Naked, never heard this one before

Bush did well in America, some other countries were always suspicious about them. They screamed "fake", totally contrived, they did grunge because that was the thing to do, they didn't go through the whole thing of playing lots of shows before getting signed etc.
Interscope Records wanted its radio friendly band that would "play the game". They got Bush. And apparently they hesitated for a while between Bush and...this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ssxU-RzrM

Another band that came from nowhere. This song was used in a Levis commercial and was a big hit in Europe because of that. The funny thing is that Levis wanted to use "Today" but the Pumpkins refused. And the beat on this song is almost similar to the verses of "Today" - what a coincidence!
(47 seconds into the song, this is..."In your House", the Cure).

For Bush, I just meant that intro, not the rest...

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:41 AM   #15
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bush was fake and i can't believe people still think they are good

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:59 AM   #16
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everybody rips off Wire. even the ones who don't know they're ripping off wire.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:59 AM   #17
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bush was fake and i can't believe people still think they are good
Thank you.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 11:34 AM   #18
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oh boy they're english, grunge, and the singer is hot lets get them on a label immediately

his lyrics are pointless nonsense? well aren't they all? sign sign sign

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 11:37 AM   #19
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Nigel Pusford is an underrated guitarist.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:13 PM   #20
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Nigel Pusford is an underrated guitarist.
They had a good guitarist and a good drummer to make up for the other two! (Dave Parsons...). Didn't make the songs any better.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:44 PM   #21
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It's neither here nor there but I enjoy a lot of their songs. I like the abstract and seemingly nonsensical lyrics. Reminds me of the French surrealists in its approach, and I know Gavin read a lot of Rimbaud.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:45 PM   #22
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Old 06-09-2014, 08:16 PM   #23
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I read an SSPU interview were they said they really liked Gish but everything after was terrible and that they went downhill, especially mellon collie.
I still like Silversun Pickups though.

 
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:58 PM   #24
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Eh. i think bush just reminds of good times in school when i was younger. While they were an easy target I never really hated them. I actually saw them recently. kinda suck now that they lost that guitar player. let's be honest. billy has some pretty nonsensical lyrics. Even though there isn't much too them I can say i actually like the following bush songs. It's probably not a good thing when your singles are your best songs, but it is what it is.

glycerine
little things
comedown
alien
Mouth (remix on american werwolf in paris, solid flick btw)
greedy fly
swallowed
letting the cables sleep

also SSPU talks about pumpkins here and how they met billy corgan and he's been nothing but nice to them and his "best friend" is their bass player

http://www.fuse.tv/videos/2012/10/vo...t-billy-corgan

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Old 06-10-2014, 02:46 AM   #25
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I think that Feeder song is the most famous instance of a band ripping off the Pumpkins because Billy called them out publicly in interviews at least once. I remember him saying something along the lines of look where I am today, and who the fuck knows who they are anymore because all they did was copy me.

Some of these are so blatant, I'm shocked. That I Am One rip

SSPU never actually sounded that much like the Pumpkins to me when you listen past their aesthetic, although they obviously listened to a lot of SD back in the day or whatever. A lot of their Pumpkin-ness comes from Brian Aubert's (is that his name?) propensity for using sliding octave things with a single base note holding the riff together, which is one of the most defining things about Billy's rhythm style. Cherub Rock and 1979 both use this technique to name just a few. This probably makes people think Pumpkins more so than the fuzzy guitars and whiny vocals. I guess who cares though, I thought this band had a lot of potential to grow outside their influences but they kind of just sputtered out.

 
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:49 AM   #26
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they are (or at least used to be circa 2007-2009) really good live. They brought a LOT of energy and presence to the stage and jumped around like it was still the 90s

 
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:11 PM   #27
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Not a ripoff by any means, but I'm sure they must have been into the Pumpkins. Some guitar tones are quite Pumpkin-like (Flood co-produced the album).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFV55VGvlY8

Those vocals...
The guy sounds like a cross between early Brian Molko and Dolores of the Cranberries.

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Old 06-10-2014, 02:14 PM   #28
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I read an SSPU interview were they said they really liked Gish but everything after was terrible and that they went downhill, especially mellon collie.
This is called "denial"

 
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:44 PM   #29
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I know Elastica ripped off Connection but I don't care and love them anyway. Justine Frischmann had the heart of 13 year old Pizza Club

 
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Not a ripoff by any means, but I'm sure they must have been into the Pumpkins. Some guitar tones are quite Pumpkin-like (Flood co-produced the album).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFV55VGvlY8

Those vocals...
The guy sounds like a cross between early Brian Molko and Dolores of the Cranberries.
Mark has never made it a secret about how much he was obsessed with The Pumpkins...hence Flood, and the second album which was heavily influenced by Machina etc.

I met him a few years ago and he started geeking out about SP. His last band (Concerto for Constantine) also supported SP when they played in Dublin a few years back....

Oh and I remember learning JJ72 tabs when I was a student and was amused at how much the songs borrowed from SP (ie: 'Willow' and 'Stumbliene') etc

 
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