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06-21-2020, 08:25 PM | #1 |
charm
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that batch of songs from around 1989 that were only played live
songs like i am my end, razor, try to try, lie i lie, salt, etc.
the last time the band went to reel time studios was apparently to record these songs, but jimmy didn't show up so they did an acoustic session instead: http://www.spfc.org/band/studio.html?session_id=6 but why didn't they ever record them at any of the next chances they had? it seems strange that the band just abandoned the idea of recording those songs for some reason. they were still playing some of these songs live in 1990, 1991, and even i am my end in 1992, so they obviously didn't hate the songs or anything. especially with billy being quite particular about putting compositions into the LOC to protect copyright, anyone know why these were neglected? |
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06-21-2020, 08:59 PM | #2 |
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maybe they did record them but they're not bootlegged ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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06-21-2020, 09:10 PM | #3 |
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Razor stinks anyway.
Also lol at D’Arcy showing up but not bothering to play. I guess she was a bit lazy in the studio even back then |
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06-21-2020, 10:26 PM | #4 |
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This is an area of the bands history that greatly interests me. I have asked Billy through various Q&A's but have never even gotten a hateful response. Maybe it's my affinity for that 80's goth /new wave sound, but I really love these songs. I hope they have a secret studio session in the vaults that has never been bootlegged.
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06-21-2020, 10:52 PM | #5 |
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But they did record Razor.
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06-21-2020, 10:55 PM | #6 |
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06-21-2020, 10:59 PM | #7 |
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06-21-2020, 11:25 PM | #8 |
charm
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06-21-2020, 11:30 PM | #9 |
charm
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if the agreement was to record certain songs as a full band, and that gets cancelled, then i don't think it's bad if she doesn't want to do something different instead all of a sudden.
billy and james obviously decided to do a (pretty shit, lets be honest) acoustic session spur of the moment, so i don't think darcy is obliged to play on that. and often having bass doesn't work that well on acoustic only tracks anyway. i am one part 2 is probably the only decent thing they did that day. |
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06-21-2020, 11:33 PM | #10 |
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06-21-2020, 11:41 PM | #11 |
charm
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hmmm, razor shows up on this list (yellow piece of paper) from the gish sessions:
https://smashing-pumpkins-recording-..._Smart_Studios also interesting that siva isn't on the list, the only song from gish not on there... |
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06-21-2020, 11:46 PM | #12 |
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Without starting a new thread: I've always wondered why The Ignoffo Tape is classified as being from 1988, but the demos are the same from the 1989 Reel Time Sessions. Which is the correct year?
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06-22-2020, 12:15 AM | #13 |
charm
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looks like it's a mix of 88 and 89 stuff, so it just gets labelled 88 as the starting date.
more info here: http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...6&postcount=25 |
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06-22-2020, 12:45 AM | #14 |
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Can’t forget “Oui Henri” too. That’s a good one
Special thanks to Jim for blowing off this session to get fucked up and robbing us of more sweet pre Gish demos. |
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06-22-2020, 12:56 AM | #15 | |
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Quote:
Can anyone add to this list • 1988 non-released original songs: 1. 6234 2. Armed to the Teeth 3. Bleed 4. Cross 5. Death of a Mind/Sun 6. East (MP) 7. Heart 8. Holiday 9. I Fall 10. Jennifer Ever 11. My Dahlia 12. My Eternity 13. Nothing and Everything 14. Oui Henri 15. Screaming 16. She 17. Spiteface 18. The Vigil 19. There It Goes 20. Under Your Spell • 1989 non-released original songs: 1. Alabaster 2. Ball and Chain 3. Bye June 4. Cinder Open 5. C'mon 6. Daughter 7. Egg 8. Fat Man Blues 9. Honeyspider 10. I Am My End 11. I Am One Part II 12. Lie I Lie 13. Love (pre-Gish demo) 14. Not Worth Asking 15. Psychodelic 16. Razor 17. Salt 18. Snap 19. Stars Fall In 20. Stray Cat Blues 21. Try to Try 22. Vanilla 23. Waiting 24. Waiting For You Now 25. With You • 1990 non-released original songs: 1. 365 2. I’ll Never Change 3. Jesus is the Sun 4. Mourning Jam 5. Opal-Worship 6. Over You • 1991 non-released original songs: 1. Cinder 2. Crawl 3. Jesus Loves His Babies 4. Purr Snickety 5. Smiley 6. STP 7. Wave Song • 1992 non-released original songs: 1. Blissed 2. Bullet Train To Osaka 3. Glynis 4. Jellybelly (old demo) 5. Lookout Loretta 6. Moleasskiss 7. Offer Up 8. Siamese Dream 9. Translucent 10. Tulips/Barb Wire 11. U.S.A. 12. U.S.S.R. 13. Your Whore • 1993 non-released original songs: 1. Apathy’s Last Kiss 2. Infinite Sadness 3. Where's Vince? Last edited by AveryLoren : 06-22-2020 at 03:18 AM. |
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06-22-2020, 02:27 AM | #16 |
charm
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i know it's not really what you are asking for, but what is your definition of non-released?
my dahlia and sun got an official release. the smashing pumpkins demo tape was an official release even though very limited and only cassette. bye june was on lull. daughter was released on the flexi. honeyspider and not worth asking were on the bonus 7" with pisces. |
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06-22-2020, 02:35 AM | #17 |
charm
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but yes, you are missing 'waiting' and 'waiting for you now' from the acoustic reel time studio session mentioned at the start.
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06-22-2020, 02:45 AM | #18 |
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I cut those off when pasting. It's been updated.
To clarify, I mean main sequence release. Be it an album like Gish, or a compilation like Pisces, Earphoria or TAFH. Singles and such don't count. |
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06-22-2020, 03:17 AM | #19 |
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06-22-2020, 08:34 AM | #20 | |
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not worth asking was on i am one vinyl purr snickety was on cherub rock vinyl apathy's last kiss was on today vinyl glynis was on no alternative smiley on peel sessions |
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06-22-2020, 08:38 AM | #21 |
BOTTLEG ILLEGAL
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oh i see you said singles don't count. i mean, why not?
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06-22-2020, 11:19 AM | #22 |
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What I wouldn't give for studio Cinder or Alabaster...
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06-22-2020, 04:58 PM | #23 |
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At this early point in their career Billy didn't have much power to leverage against Jimmy for not showing up to a session. Jimmy could have said fuck you and peaced out and Billy would've never found a drummer as good. But you can bet that after Gish and SD that Billy ruled with an iron fist and came down on Jim like a ton of bricks if he stepped out of line, which tbh is probably what the dude needed. So much great music wouldn't have been made if Billy just let the band fuck around.
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