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Old 05-09-2018, 07:57 AM   #1
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Default Is thinking MCIS > SD only a late-teen phase?

I'm in my mid 20s and I still think its marginally better. Especially when paired with TAFH. Of course SD is still the ultimate candy-fuzz experience.

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:10 AM   #2
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Needing to pick a definitive favorite or label something definitively better than something else is a late-teen phase in general.

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:09 AM   #3
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Mellon Collie is a much better album.

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:40 PM   #4
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MCIS >>> SD

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 03:27 PM   #5
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I think they are honestly pretty close and it kind of depends what values are most important to you. SD is one of the most "perfect" albums I can think of. MCIS is far from perfect but it's bolder and pushes the band to its extremes

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 03:28 PM   #6
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and Bill hit his songwriting maturity peak with Adore

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 06:40 PM   #7
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MCIS has better individual songs, but SD is a better, more listenable album overall

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 07:52 PM   #8
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SD is more refined, but if I was forced to pick one for a desert island I'd go with the extremes from MCIS

 
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Old 05-09-2018, 07:52 PM   #9
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MCIS is still my favorite, but now I find it really hard to tell a friend they have to listen to it. I wouldn't change it because the album feels like a journey, but some of the heavier songs in particular are really cringeworthy unless you are able to contextualize them. As much as I appreciate the songs, it's really hard to go from Jellybelly to BWBW so early in the album.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:27 AM   #10
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Needing to pick a definitive favorite or label something definitively better than something else is a late-teen phase in general.
I think I was more reflecting openly on the fact that I've heard a lot of people say MCIS is only a "phase-album", filled with particular teen angst and such.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:28 AM   #11
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no one ever said that.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:31 AM   #12
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no one ever said that.
Except lots of people because it was always a Gen-X album. I've talked to some fans on occasions about it for the past 15 years.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:36 AM   #13
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Akuma No Uta > MCIS
Flood > SD

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:25 AM   #14
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I prefer SD but I think it's locked into the world of 1993 - MTV, grunge, alternative rock.

MCIS has transcended it's era more - 1979 or Tonight Tonight could be played now on the radio and not necessarily evoke an era.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 02:03 PM   #15
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and Bill hit his songwriting maturity peak with Adore
Really?

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 02:06 PM   #16
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Siamese Dream is a far superior album, it’s not even really a discussion. It’s more coherent, tight, and shit, even has more of a concept than MCIS.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 02:24 PM   #17
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ur dad is tight

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:05 PM   #18
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They both ain't got shit on Oceania

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 03:14 PM   #19
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lol wat a jokester

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:10 PM   #20
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I like Oceania.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:12 PM   #21
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:58 PM   #22
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gish when i'm drunk, sd when i'm happy, mcis when i'm confused, adore when i'm sad. machina is the reset button for when i feel like a god.

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:52 PM   #23
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people forget that quiet sweet sweet and spaceboy are kind of bland and boring.

The more metal side of MCIS has really had me intrigued lately. There's some truly badass riffle all over that record.

But seriously the songs after XYU are kind of an EP on it's own and that's what makes MCIS special.. it's like a collection of mini albums.. better presented via the triple vinyl IMO

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 10:22 PM   #24
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Yeah I have it in that sequencing in iTunes. Having Infinite Sadness on the end is super cool; I read somewhere that it's meant to be like the music after a play when everyone comes out and bows

I love the metal stuff live when it's sped up a ton and Billy's screaming demonically. Sounds really bland on the record in comparison

 
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:00 PM   #25
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Yeah I have it in that sequencing in iTunes. Having Infinite Sadness on the end is super cool; I read somewhere that it's meant to be like the music after a play when everyone comes out and bows
funny you say that.. I've never read that but have always got that vibe from that song and where it's placed on the record.

 
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Old 05-11-2018, 03:51 AM   #26
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riffle?

more like riffage

 
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Old 05-11-2018, 05:03 AM   #27
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My kinda "gut feeling" is that SD is a 10/10 album and MCIS is a bloated teen angst bullshit record. That's the narrative.... but in reality I think it's the opposite.

MCIS has BWBW, which really is a terrible terrible song that sounds good to teenagers. Everything else on it is good to excellent. It's a real Real album, a lotta divorce stuff and all that.

SD has Today and Disarm which I'd happily never hear again. The production, which I used to love, sounds painfully 90s.

 
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My kinda "gut feeling" is that SD is a 10/10 album and MCIS is a bloated teen angst bullshit record. That's the narrative.... but in reality I think it's the opposite.

MCIS has BWBW, which really is a terrible terrible song that sounds good to teenagers. Everything else on it is good to excellent. It's a real Real album, a lotta divorce stuff and all that.

SD has Today and Disarm which I'd happily never hear again. The production, which I used to love, sounds painfully 90s.
Your post is incoherent and a pooper.

 
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Old 05-11-2018, 06:44 AM   #29
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I like Oceania.

 
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Your post is incoherent and a pooper.
Thanks !

 
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