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02-06-2018, 05:10 AM | #211 |
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Teh Bolly is right. There was something special about those four that made the first albums get better from Gish (senescence) to SD (uber senescence) to MCIS (sheer senescitude).
Billy should of never fired Jimmy. |
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02-06-2018, 05:12 AM | #212 |
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02-06-2018, 05:27 AM | #213 |
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02-06-2018, 05:32 AM | #214 |
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02-06-2018, 05:41 AM | #215 |
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What could be happening is that BC / JC / Jeff and James are recording the album, with one or all of them playing bass. And then they'll get D'Arcy in for the live shows.
Still doesn't explain why they did a photo shoot without her. Unless this is the "new band" that just happens to have 3/4 SP members in it. |
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02-06-2018, 06:50 AM | #216 |
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honestly, i'd even argue that darcy's importance to the band is even greater now, specifically, compared to what it used to be in the band's heydey.
one of the worst aspects about post-2000's "SP" is that it's become kind of a shitty jam-based band. i love Jimmy to death and he's a fantastic musician, but it seems like his ego got swollen somewhat and he kind of forgot his place in the "hierarchy" of the sound that made the original band's output so magical. his playing is a lot more demonstrative now, more attention seeking,and generally speaking it seems like he's looking out for the spotlight much more than ever before, rather than just doing his wicked thing in the back and making songs work in a way that's not quite so obvious until you really zoom in on it. do you think it's a coincidence half the songs on live shows with JC start off with him zoning out to a beat, and everybody else slowly joining in? that's a world of difference right there. that in turn influences billy to come up with stock, generic guitar rock riffs that rely on jimmy's power, but don't have the same emotional pull or weight. they may play well together technically, but it's as inspired as an omlette sandwich. you used to be able to take almost any SP song and if you played it on an acoustic, juts the chords and melody, the skeletal songwriting would still shine through - which is absolutely not the case anymore, by any standard. iha might be great at adding texture and flavor to existing material, but he can't make a turd into a diamond. that's exactly where darcy's judgement would signal to the band that hey, this shit you're playing is obvious rock cliche bullshit 101, and if you want it to be good you need to tilt it in X direction. try something else. by inventive. she'd challenge billy to push himself harder, and not settle for bullshit riffs like Tarantula. it doesn't matter if her contribution comes down to giving that slight nudge, because that slight nudge is what could alter the entire trajectory of any given musical piece into something original or affecting. all you (insert plural pejorative) who think she's not important to the band because she can't play like John Myung are missing the point so bad, you need an atlas to find it. |
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02-06-2018, 07:06 AM | #217 | |
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02-06-2018, 07:09 AM | #218 |
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Rolling Stone Germany just released an article about Billy publicly mocking D'Arcy:
https://www.rollingstone.de/reunion-...dabei-1449489/ NME also just released a similar article: "Billy Corgan addresses new Smashing Pumpkins bassist rumours – and downplays D’Arcy Wretsky’s past role" http://www.nme.com/news/music/billy-...t-role-2237234 |
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02-06-2018, 07:20 AM | #219 |
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...more flashbacks:
2016: "There’s excitement there that surrounds the idea that maybe there’s the possibility that we will get back together, but until you here it coming from my mouth that the band is getting back together and we will play dates, my primary concern is the family relationships of the band that are ultimately so much more important. I can tell you without a doubt that if that band ever gets back on stage, it will be about music, it will be about playing music that fans love, and that we love." https://www.stereogum.com/1894249/bi...n-rumors/news/ 2017: "Howard asked Billy if he’s getting along with the original Smashing Pumpkins members now, and Billy said that he is. He said he was thinking about it the other night, and that they gave him this faith that he didn’t have with his family, as they were following him when no one else would. He said without them in the beginning, he wouldn’t have had anything. Howard said that Billy’s Smashing Pumpkins bandmates risked their future with him, and he feels that way about his radio partners Robin, Fred, Gary, and even the guys who joined later, as they’re putting their careers on the line for him. Billy said that they didn’t question it at all in the beginning. Howard said Robin always had his back, and it brings him to tears. Billy said he has the same emotion about the original Smashing Pumpkins. He said that he was recently apologizing to D’arcy for being an asshole in the band and she cut him off and said, “Billy. You wrote so many great songs, you had to be that way.” He said it was a profoundly healing moment." https://www.alternativenation.net/sm...izing-asshole/ |
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02-06-2018, 07:36 AM | #220 |
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D’Arcy is a crack addled ugly nut job. There was no way this was ever going to happen. I’m satisfied with this lineup & will go see them and spin new music.
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02-06-2018, 07:47 AM | #221 | |
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02-06-2018, 07:50 AM | #222 |
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You gotta know James is regretting every fucking minute of this.
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02-06-2018, 08:00 AM | #223 |
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All this needed was a tactful, empathetic statement from Billy.
A shitshow as ever - I hope Iha comes out pf this unscathed, but after sounding so rational during the Ogilala promo, Corgan showing his true colours once again. How much must Jimmy n James be lined up to pocket to go work with a guy who publically trashed them for years? |
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02-06-2018, 08:15 AM | #224 |
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Lol it was a “profoundly healing moment” for someone to confirm to bill that he DOESNT NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE, EVER, FOR HIS OWN OBJECTIVELY ABUSIVE BEHAVIOR, because he HAD TO BE THAT WAY FOR EVERYONES OWN GOOD
How touching omg im profoundly moved by this profound anecdote of healing and redemption |
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02-06-2018, 08:19 AM | #225 |
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This is what abusive parents tell themselves
This man is terminally diseased in his soul God have mercy on poor lil Auggie Joop: kid is fucking doomed |
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02-06-2018, 08:57 AM | #226 |
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BWAHAHAHAH You guys are eating up everything he says HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Bill wins again!
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02-06-2018, 09:23 AM | #227 | |
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“He said that he was recently apologizing to D’arcy for being an asshole in the band and she cut him off and said, “Billy. You wrote so many great songs, you had to be that way.” He said it was a profoundly healing moment." Seems unlikely this actually happened. Billy just lacking self-awareness and figuring he can say whatever he likes. |
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02-06-2018, 09:59 AM | #228 |
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I have a feeling Billy reads this so I'm gonna put it plainly.
You fucked up. The way you handled this situation makes the hypothetical of the Cuba crisis happening fade in comparison. You had the sincerity to make all these claims about reigniting your friendship with D'arcy, and yet when it came down to sticking up for her - you go and subliminally diss her, and downplay her involvement in the band. That is sick. Also, NOBODY LIKES JEFF. His noodling is appreciated by nobody. You need to accept the fact that some guitarists playing LACKS SOUL. The opposite can be said about James playing and your playing in the 1990s. Fucking hell Billy. Grow up. Apologize, make a CLEAR statement and enjoy life, instead of posting ironic and bashing Instagram posts about your skewed view of reality. |
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02-06-2018, 10:43 AM | #229 |
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what is going on here?
can someone quickly explain to me what "the situation" is or was, and how belly handled it? please keep it short, and leave out assumptions. |
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02-06-2018, 10:44 AM | #230 | |
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02-06-2018, 10:46 AM | #231 |
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Maybe D'arcy can't handle a big tour, and that's totally fair, but if her and Billy reconnected, and she's been practicing, it would be fucking insane if she didn't come and play I Am One at the Metro for an encore or something
Just the fact that she's disappointed she's not in the reunion really upsets me. Fucking Billy |
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02-06-2018, 11:17 AM | #232 | |
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more specifically, he said he renewed contact with d'arcy and when trying to apologize to her for being such an asshole during the band's heydey, she cut him off and told him she understands now that he had to be that way, that he wrote a lot of great songs, and that brought him a lot of joy and relief. fast forward a few months, d'arcy makes some twitter/facebook posts about how she was very disappointed to passively find out the band decided to go with a different bass player - apparently not even getting the news from BC himself. then to make things worse and more infuriating, billy very recently made a post in which he's cryptically shitting over darcy's past contributions to the band, saying the he and james played bass on a lot of original SP songs. seemingly taking cheap shots at her for literally no reason and kicking her while she's down on the ground, hurt by being kept out of the reunion. presently, billy's keeping a tight lid on exactly what's going on, exactly like before the Zeitgeist release. but, it appears the lineup is now BC, JC, Iha, and Jeff - who will possibly be accompanied by a hired bassist on tour (possible 3 gtr lineup). |
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02-06-2018, 11:21 AM | #233 |
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he really is a bully. can't help himself from belittling someone so much weaker. very trump.
and like a true bully, he's shown he can't take a punch. look how long he's been mad at pavement for a little dig they made. |
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02-06-2018, 11:33 AM | #234 |
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02-06-2018, 11:36 AM | #235 |
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02-06-2018, 11:40 AM | #236 | |
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HARD agree here. Since Machina era his playing has been really formulaic. The same machine gun snare fills over and over on every song. MCIS was the peak of Jimmy's playing. |
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02-06-2018, 11:42 AM | #237 |
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02-06-2018, 12:08 PM | #238 | |
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And based on the evidence, I have absolutely no faith in his version of events. I wonder if #metoo will ever catch up with him. Seems like Bill would have some skeletons re: abuse of power. Last edited by VoxUpDoc : 02-06-2018 at 12:15 PM. |
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02-06-2018, 12:17 PM | #239 |
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