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Old 08-02-2017, 10:19 PM   #2521
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taking away healthcare is not the same as letting people keep it


This compassion argument doesn't address the unsustainable nature of centralized government, let alone health care. The statement here is the basis of socialist politics and the reps who espouse such do not do so out of compassion, they do so out of a lust for power to themselves through the collective of the government that empowers them; not you, or me or anyone else.

Plus, they bank on the fact that their constituency is too stupid to know better:


ObamaCare architect: 'Stupidity' of voters helped bill pass


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"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."


Stupidity "or whatever"...like, moronic or ignorant or just a bunch of saps, rubes, cubes, fools, dumbasses, idiots... You know, Democrats.

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:42 PM   #2522
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If we could all agree that healthcare for all should exist, that would probably help. Do you not agree with that? Or does figuring out some alternative to the "unsustainable nature of centralized government" preclude working with what we have to make sure poor people get their cancer medicines?

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:58 PM   #2523
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you know what's extremely disempowering to the average american

dying of preventable diseases

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:06 PM   #2524
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I'm tempted to suggest that poor health is a greater threat to the average American than devil-worshiping pedos operating out of slave camps on Mars.

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:21 PM   #2525
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If we could all agree that healthcare for all should exist, that would probably help. Do you not agree with that? Or does figuring out some alternative to the "unsustainable nature of centralized government" preclude working with what we have to make sure poor people get their cancer medicines?

You have to get rid of the Rockefeller-Bush-CFR crowd and their counterparts, the Alinsky-Clinton-Obama union to get to the government you want. To the charges these folks have put in place to blow up America, Trump is trying diffuse what he can of it, which is why they all hate him so in D.C.


I believe in UBI, and so too then, health care for all, but not under the system they want because it is designed for more control, not care.

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:37 PM   #2526
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I'm tempted to suggest that poor health is a greater threat to the average American than devil-worshiping pedos operating out of slave camps on Mars.


Problem with this is the latter controls the mechanism for the former.

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:44 PM   #2527
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you know what's extremely disempowering to the average american

dying of preventable diseases


The medical industry does not operate on the basis of preventable measures, in fact, they abhore it.

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:49 PM   #2528
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The medical industry does not operate on the basis of preventable measures, in fact, they abhore it.
you're right. which is why we should nationalize medicine

 
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:52 PM   #2529
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I'm tempted to suggest that poor health is a greater threat to the average American than devil-worshiping pedos operating out of slave camps on Mars.
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Problem with this is the latter controls the mechanism for the former.
Look, fuzz. It's one of those political theories that are sound and based on fact that you were telling us about.

 
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Old 08-03-2017, 12:01 AM   #2530
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you're right. which is why we should nationalize medicine
ding ding ding

 
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Old 08-03-2017, 11:56 AM   #2531
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Old 08-03-2017, 11:57 AM   #2532
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What a joke this piece of shit is.

 
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Old 08-03-2017, 01:42 PM   #2533
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you know what's extremely disempowering to the average american

dying of preventable diseases
they just lack the willpower to stay alive
medication is a last resort
rabbit hole

 
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Old 08-03-2017, 06:07 PM   #2534
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you're right. which is why we should nationalize medicine

Which would be just fine with the medical industry, since they already own the government with their lobbying efforts anyway. What makes you think adding layers of government bureaucracy would help anything?

If you want to force the culture of medicine to adopt more preventative care measures, you're going to have to extract the government that allowed it in the first place, by being in on the take while the industry profits from their cure based stance which is far more profitable.

If you want the government to help out with this, they need to cut off the lobbyist that rep these firms of malpractice and make them face their crimes with jail time.

 
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:30 PM   #2535
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i don't disagree that lobbyists are a problem

however if medicine is nationalized and preventive medicine is cheaper, the govt has an incentive to pay for preventive medicine. and they do in the case of Medicare. free (no copay/coinsurance) physical and bloodwork every year, gyno exam every year, colonoscopy every 5 years (over 50 years old i think), prostate exam, etc. all without copays/coinsurance. everything else medicare pays at 80%

 
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Old 08-03-2017, 10:00 PM   #2536
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I think we ought to be asking why they're still lobbying the government if they already own it.

That doesn't make sense and it's worrying to have such illogical beings in charge.

 
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Old 08-04-2017, 10:23 AM   #2537
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https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/stat...55995014524929

"Love her up! Lock her up!"

Oh yeah, the Drain the Swamp signs...that's been working out really well since the "swamp" is now crawling with soulless billionaire scumbags.

 
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Old 08-04-2017, 04:14 PM   #2538
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trump needs to come up with a new distraction

 
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:23 PM   #2539
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i don't disagree that lobbyists are a problem

however if medicine is nationalized and preventive medicine is cheaper, the govt has an incentive to pay for preventive medicine. and they do in the case of Medicare. free (no copay/coinsurance) physical and bloodwork every year, gyno exam every year, colonoscopy every 5 years (over 50 years old i think), prostate exam, etc. all without copays/coinsurance. everything else medicare pays at 80%



Preventative medicine? You're conflating semantics; Preventative measures don't cost much of anything, which is why the medical industry doesn't practice it.

Nationalizing anything requires top-heavy bureaucratic systems which are historically slow and inept, take a look at how many we have now that don't do much except protect the largesse and waste they've acquired.

Platitude (i.e. socialist) politics isn't effective when it comes to running the math. It is impossible to create any government program or job at a tax surplus and you can't keep taxing the working class and except it to survive and/or not revolt against the statist measures.

There's only a centuries worth of recent history that displays this several times over, but hey, I guess you lib-prog-tards got it all figured out -- just tax rich whitey more, it'll all be fine.

 
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:25 PM   #2540
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trump needs to come up with a new distraction


The entire Russian narrative is a distraction from the in-your-face criminality of
the cabalist in Washington D.C. and their mockingbird whores in the media. Seth Rich being murdered by the DNC, chief among them and Obama running cover for Wasserman-Schultz and the Muslim Brotherhood, yet another.

 
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:48 PM   #2541
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hey toc

swamp creatures are coming to get you

greetings, gang stalkers from Rush and SP

 
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:52 PM   #2542
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conflating semantics.

platitude (i.e socialist) politics

seth rich

Wasserman-Shultz's IT guy

you are such a moron

 
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Old 08-05-2017, 07:54 PM   #2543
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It's both funny and sad that you accuse us of being brainwashed by the media when you are the most gullible idiot on this board. You are a sentient email forward from my grandma.

 
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:55 PM   #2544
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Platitude (i.e. socialist) politics isn't effective when it comes to running the math. It is impossible to create any government program or job at a tax surplus and you can't keep taxing the working class and except it to survive and/or not revolt against the statist measures.

There's only a centuries worth of recent history that displays this several times over, but hey, I guess you lib-prog-tards got it all figured out -- just tax rich whitey more, it'll all be fine.
yes, things cost money. they aren't supposed to create a tax surplus. and yes, people with more have more to give in taxes. if someone making 25k gives 20% of their income, they have 20k left. if someone making a million gives 40%, they have 600k. cry me a river.

 
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Old 08-06-2017, 11:19 AM   #2545
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now you're starting to sound like a socialist. Groce!

 
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:31 PM   #2546
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:42 PM   #2547
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yes, things cost money. they aren't supposed to create a tax surplus. and yes, people with more have more to give in taxes. if someone making 25k gives 20% of their income, they have 20k left. if someone making a million gives 40%, they have 600k. cry me a river.


You could have the tax-rate at 100% on all income brackets and it will not be enough for the politics based on platitudes. But the class-envy based mind-set displayed here is indicative of the lack of understanding of the math involved with Socialism.

You have to extract the entities which have forbidden the resources and wealth which can create the utopia you think can be had. They're pretty easy to see now as its any and all established DC/NY/LA politicos who are moving with a (not-so) silent coup on the Presidency as we speak.

 
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you could have the tax rate at 100% and it would still not be a reason to write socialism with a capital C and presidency with a capital P.

 
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more reasons to join ISIS


 
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this brave man is the son of the president of the United States of America


 
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