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Old Yesterday, 11:49 AM   #91
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you don't think he ever considered suicide?

he did have a shit childhood. i would give his younger self the benefit of the doubt.
I think he wrote a song about suicide. I don't think he ever was suicidal.

 
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Old Yesterday, 11:51 AM   #92
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Feel however you want to about it but I wouldn't let the post reunion output effect my enjoyment of the Classic SP albums, those were great and totally sincere. I don't know what the deal is with Billy and obviously no one does, but its obvious the success went to his head in a bad way and he just refuses to take input unless he's sucking up to Rick Rubin. Hell, if he would just get some producers and engineers like he did in the old days I think everyone would like the new albums a lot better.
Post reunion output has fuck all to do with it. Bobo being a lying manipulative insincere asshat is what it's about.

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:03 PM   #93
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Yeah, I don't see any reason to question the motives and sincerity of original SP. Most great bands have a limited run of the top material and taper off, and SP's output was in another universe compared to pretty much everybody else. They just got tired after working extremely hard, and Billy's
desire to be the center of attention just got to be out of control. But I think it does comes down to the fact that he's just isolated and making all of the decisions on his own that's the issue. Really no different than when an actor who gets some momentum starts making and choosing their own projects and just don't know how to choose a good role.

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:09 PM   #94
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Post reunion output has fuck all to do with it. Bobo being a lying manipulative insincere asshat is what it's about.
He is ridiculously defensive that is for sure.

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:14 PM   #95
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I think he's a sociopathic narcissist who does not experience feelings.
Lol, Jesus, haha

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:29 PM   #96
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This board kinda reminds me of that phase little girls go through when they start hating Barbie dolls as a way to show that they are no longer into stupid baby toys and are smart big kids instead.

Like, first everyone goes through the phase where they idolize their favourite rock star and impose an idealized personality on him. Then, they start seeing that he has flaws, but they are in some form of denial about it, so they become apologists and minimize his actions and say shit like "oh, creative people always have a screw loose, that's what makes them so unique and creative in the first place. He's rough around the edges, but that's just him and insanity is genius, blah blah blah."

Then, when they get consistently disappointed by their idol and can't escape the mounting evidence that he really kinda sucks as a person, in order to demonstrate that they are past the juvenile idealizing phase and are no longer naïve enough to think that the sun shines out of some dumb rock star's ass, they shift into having a hyperbolic vitriol for the guy and start saying shit like "he's probably a Nazi who doesn't even have human emotions and I think he's the true murderer of JonBenét Ramsey (did we ever solve that one? I forget. If so, pick a different funny example)."

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:31 PM   #97
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I mean, if that's the only way you can detach yourself from something you've emotionally invested yourself in so that you can escape the pain of brutal disillusionment, you do you, but maybe don't invest your identities so much in other people in the first place.

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:34 PM   #98
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Netphoria 2021:

"I don't think Billy Corgan ever had a mom, For Martha was written about James' parakeet"

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:36 PM   #99
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I think he wrote a song about suicide. I don't think he ever was suicidal.
how would you know that? and why would you decide of all things that this was something worth questioning

 
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Old Yesterday, 12:53 PM   #100
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I don't believe that Billy Corgan ever really even had hair, man. It was just an act.

 
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Old Yesterday, 01:26 PM   #101
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This board kinda reminds me of that phase little girls go through when they start hating Barbie dolls as a way to show that they are no longer into stupid baby toys and are smart big kids instead.

Like, first everyone goes through the phase where they idolize their favourite rock star and impose an idealized personality on him. Then, they start seeing that he has flaws, but they are in some form of denial about it, so they become apologists and minimize his actions and say shit like "oh, creative people always have a screw loose, that's what makes them so unique and creative in the first place. He's rough around the edges, but that's just him and insanity is genius, blah blah blah."

Then, when they get consistently disappointed by their idol and can't escape the mounting evidence that he really kinda sucks as a person, in order to demonstrate that they are past the juvenile idealizing phase and are no longer naïve enough to think that the sun shines out of some dumb rock star's ass, they shift into having a hyperbolic vitriol for the guy and start saying shit like "he's probably a Nazi who doesn't even have human emotions and I think he's the true murderer of JonBenét Ramsey (did we ever solve that one? I forget. If so, pick a different funny example)."
Omg this is exactly how i quit playing with dolls, in my life

Are u been watching me thru my windows all this time? If so let me know so i can show u just how much i hate all my Barbie dolls tonite

 
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Netphoria 2021:

"I don't think Billy Corgan ever had a mom, For Martha was written about James' parakeet"
IS CHRIS FABIAN A REAL PERSON?

A NETPHORIA INVESTIGATION

Billy Corgan once said: “There is not and will not be any public record on my marriage – that’s one thing I have to draw lines around.”

WHY would he say such a thing? Because he was never actually married to her! But wait! There's more! It has been revealed that a widely circulated photo purported to be of Billy and Chris is actually a photo of the Pumpkins frontman and Fiona Horne. And not only that! She revealed that she is friends with Billy but they have NEVER had sex.

What can we deduce from this? It's very simple.

Chris Fabian is not a real person and Billy Corgan is a virgin. Augustus Juppiter and Philomena Clementine are actually clones that he made of himself that he will use to someday use to replace Jimmy and James.

You heard it here first.

 
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I think Billy has always been sensitive and in his own words kind of a pissant. But his insecurity about how people perceive him and the band have driven him crazy. I don't know what cracked in him after the Mellon Collie tour but he should have just stayed home and watched some Cubs games instead of going to LA and becoming all pretentious and weirded out. I can acknowledge Adore has some good songs, but it was a massive misstep, all of the fun of SP was completely drained out. Im a fan of the Machina era but that stuff about the band pretending to be perceptions of themselves was ridiculous and contemtuous. He can't get on the right track because its not about the music anymore, its either about poking a stick in peoples' eyes or bolstering his ego with the need to always play bigger shows with those ridiculous stage costumes

 
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Old Yesterday, 09:23 PM   #104
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I think Billy has always been sensitive and in his own words kind of a pissant. But his insecurity about how people perceive him and the band have driven him crazy. I don't know what cracked in him after the Mellon Collie tour but he should have just stayed home and watched some Cubs games instead of going to LA and becoming all pretentious and weirded out. I can acknowledge Adore has some good songs, but it was a massive misstep, all of the fun of SP was completely drained out. Im a fan of the Machina era but that stuff about the band pretending to be perceptions of themselves was ridiculous and contemtuous. He can't get on the right track because its not about the music anymore, its either about poking a stick in peoples' eyes or bolstering his ego with the need to always play bigger shows with those ridiculous stage costumes
this is great stuff

also why those early zwan gigs were so good

 
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I think Billy has always been sensitive and in his own words kind of a pissant. But his insecurity about how people perceive him and the band have driven him crazy. I don't know what cracked in him after the Mellon Collie tour but he should have just stayed home and watched some Cubs games instead of going to LA and becoming all pretentious and weirded out. I can acknowledge Adore has some good songs, but it was a massive misstep, all of the fun of SP was completely drained out. Im a fan of the Machina era but that stuff about the band pretending to be perceptions of themselves was ridiculous and contemtuous. He can't get on the right track because its not about the music anymore, its either about poking a stick in peoples' eyes or bolstering his ego with the need to always play bigger shows with those ridiculous stage costumes
very well stated

 
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