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Old 10-04-2016, 01:10 PM   #481
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Is the hub down right now? I can't seem to get in

 
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Old 10-04-2016, 03:10 PM   #482
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Depending on which hub you're taking about...the old hub has been down forever, "Satur9Hub" will be back online very soon with faster downloads speeds and about 100GB of more material

 
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Old 10-04-2016, 04:41 PM   #483
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ok thanks - yea I was trying to go to the satur9hub. not sure I ever heard the non-analog machina acoustic demos before

 
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I purchased the original Gish Rough Mix cassette from Mike Po. It was transferred to DAT then SHNs with the help of Fares Halteh. We then circulated it.
Nice! You purchased the original cassette, did you ever transfer or circulate the Catherine demo portion of the tape?

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Mike Po also sent me The Reel Time Sessions (both electric & acoustic) on two CD-Rs. He told me the recordings were transferred directly from his master copy (I think he had DATs). Anyway, this is the copy in circulation.
Was your version in alphabetical order? I've never understood how our two versions were different. I've always assumed Mike made different versions so he could track its distribution online.

Thinking about it, there was technically a pure recording of the running order of at least some of Mike's DAT. When Josh Provost and I went to Mike's house, he showed us the DAT, which had the tracklisting on it. We asked him to play it but he said no. We were there for a few hours, so later on, we begged him again to play it and he finally relented. I remember some time between the first request and the second, Josh and I hatched a plan to field record whatever he would play for us. Josh had brought a recorder since we were ostensibly there to "interview" Mike, be he didn't want to be on the record. My recollection was that Josh turned the recorder on and left it on the table, or maybe he had it in his back pocket when Mike played the DAT. I think we were mainly trying to get one song on tape... I don't remember which song it was, but there was an unknown (to us) song on the tracklist. I vaguely remember it began with a 'B', but when he played the song, it turned out to be an alternate title for a known track.

Josh went home with the recording, and he never made a copy for me. It was probably unlistenable, but it would have preserved at least a portion of the true running order.

 
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Old 10-05-2016, 01:44 AM   #485
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Does the version of Sequence IV without noise reduction still exist?
Yes. It's unlistenable.

A few years after the noise reduction version circulated, Onica contacted me to ask me if I could make her a copy of the cassette. I guess the story was Onica sent the tape to John (I think that was his name), who did the noise reduction. He was supposed to send her a copy of it once he cleaned it up, but never got around to it. Onica sent the tape to me, I spun it off to DAT, made her a CDR and sent it all back.

I still have the DAT somewhere. I remember trying to work with it, but it was just a hot mess. My recollection is the hissing sounded unnatural, something deliberately introduced to make the recording very hard to listen to.

 
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Old 10-05-2016, 05:57 PM   #486
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Here is what I have burnt on audio CD's.
"""
The Smashing Pumpkins
1995/05/31 - Chicago Recording Company; Chicago, IL, USA
STU/ANA
ANA > DAT > CDR
62 min


"Sequence IV"

1. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
2. Tonight, Tonight
3. Jellybelly
4. Zero
5. Here Is No Why
6. Bullet with Butterfly Wings
7. To Forgive
8. Fuck You
9. Love
10. Cupid de Locke
11. Galapogos
12. Muzzle
13. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans
14. Lily
15. Take Me Down


Notes :

On this date, a rough mix of the Mellon Collie album was created,
dubbed Sequence Four. In other words, this tape was basically what
Mellon Collie sounded like as of May 31st. All songs were rough takes
and featured scratch vocals, if any; Galapogos even featured a solo
that was omitted from the final version.
Created on 5/31/00 at the Chicago Recording Company. Unsure of
as to how long the studio session was that produced these.

Known Errors :

12 - Muzzle has a cut around 1:04 'and I by and by the way' (Some
Circulating Copies do not have this cut)
13 - Original Porcelina of the Vast Oceans has multipule pops. These occur at:
5:00, 5:02, 5:03, 5:14, 5:22, 6:13, 6:15, 6:24, 7:07, 7:52, 8:12, and 8:26.
These pops have since been removed.
For some reason the songs drop out at around 6khz, all copies that I know
of do this. I'm still unsure if it is totally normal for Sequence IV though so
I'm still trying to find an answer from someone who knows more about these
demos.
"""
Is this the "enhanced" version?

I also have among all versions of Gish stuff, the Previeu I thing.
Is this completely redundant with what is here?

 
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Old 10-06-2016, 02:09 AM   #487
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i'm still looking for previeu I and annona.

 
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Old 10-06-2016, 04:49 AM   #488
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Here's Previeu
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https://we.tl/cIl8LzEuKz

 
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Old 10-06-2016, 06:31 AM   #489
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great, thanks.

that's just the "smashing pumpkins" part of previeu, though.
does anyone have the complete set, including "moon" and extra tracks?

this is what i can find about it online, off someone's bootlist:
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Previeu 1 (1CD)

01. Jennifer Ever
02. East
03. Nothing and Everything
04. Sun(remix)
05. She
06. Spiteface
07. Honeyspider II
08. With You
09. Egg
10. Rhinoceros
11. Bye June
12. Stars Fall In
13. Daughter
14. Daydream
15. Psychodelic
16. Tristessa (Sub Pop)
17. Honeyspider
18. Dance of the Dwarves

Grade : 9.5
Time : 64
Source: 1-15:stu/ana0>cdr 16-17: stu/vinyl0>cdr 18:FM/dat?>cdr
Notes : A compilation CD made using original tapes and vinyl provided by Dave Asselin.
The tracks have been cleaned up.
Flaws : None.

 
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Old 10-06-2016, 10:39 AM   #490
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I think I do have the complete Previeu I set.
I'll try to rip it together with Sequence IV once I locate a CD reader I can connect to my computer.
Note that this will add an extra "CD-R" generation as in this ancient time I used to burn music on CD's and listen to them using a CD player...
Hopefully it will only mean losing very few audio samples at the beginning and the end of the CD's unless they have already rotten in 10 years.

 
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Old 10-06-2016, 10:49 AM   #491
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thanks.

 
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:22 PM   #492
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I'll do it on sunday.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:11 PM   #493
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Old 10-12-2016, 12:24 PM   #494
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Depending on which hub you're taking about...the old hub has been down forever, "Satur9Hub" will be back online very soon with faster downloads speeds and about 100GB of more material
Hey Dade, how do I get access to the satur9 hub?

 
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Hey Dade, how do I get access to the satur9 hub?
Stay tuned!

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Old 10-14-2016, 01:42 PM   #496
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Yes. It's unlistenable.

A few years after the noise reduction version circulated, Onica contacted me to ask me if I could make her a copy of the cassette. I guess the story was Onica sent the tape to John (I think that was his name), who did the noise reduction. He was supposed to send her a copy of it once he cleaned it up, but never got around to it. Onica sent the tape to me, I spun it off to DAT, made her a CDR and sent it all back.

I still have the DAT somewhere. I remember trying to work with it, but it was just a hot mess. My recollection is the hissing sounded unnatural, something deliberately introduced to make the recording very hard to listen to.
Man, I have been wondering about this for 16 years, no joke. Thanks Dave, nice to finally scratch that itch

 
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Nice! You purchased the original cassette, did you ever transfer or circulate the Catherine demo portion of the tape?
As far as I recall, Billy recorded over the Catherine demo. If it was on the tape, I imagine that we would have transferred it. I just dug up the eBay description and pasted below:

Billy Corgan handwritten demo tape LOOK!
Description:

Guarantee you that NOBODY has ever seen one of these - what this is, is a cassette of rough mixes of "Gish," made while mixing the album, that was given to me by Billy Corgan. These are taken from an off-the-console mix at Smart Studios. The mixes are *slightly* different, but pretty much the finished version. Also, funnily enough, Billy used this tape to record OVER the demos for the band "Catherine," who he was helping to get signed at the time... Best of all, of course, the songs titles are are in Billy's handwriting. You can verify the authenticity of this piece, as well as who in the heck I am, at my webpage: http://www.mikepo.com. Feel free to ask any questions, as well. This is one-of-a-kind. Difficult to price an item like this. A reserve price has been set, but I'll likely be willing to deal even if the reserve isn't met... Winning bidder to prepay, including actual shipping costs.

- Mike Potential



I also found a further description sent to me before I purchased it:

That writing up on the top left is Jerome Brown from Catherine's
handwriting, and those are the song titles that were originally the demo
on this tape. This is the catherine demo that billy was supposed to give
me, but he taped over the entire catherine part with his "gish" tracks.
There's actually a part on here that I blurred out, on the photo - it
was somebody's phone number, and even though nobody lives there anymore,
you know... no point putting a picture of some hapless dude's phone
number up on ebay, for obsessive pumpkins fans to try calling,
anyways...

The difference with the mixes - for one thing, this is before any sort
of "mastering." Most of the mixes are final, but aren't necessarily the
same as they would sound on the cd - just some eq differences, and
instrument mixes. These are, like, how to explain - these are the final
takes and tracks that were used, but in some instances, the levels
weren't quite right yet - some guitars are slightly louder, or lower -
and, frankly, the audio quality isn't necessarily the greatest, to begin
with... Billy rushed a bunch of copies of this off to friends, and it
certainly *sounds* rushed...

So, there's no real instance I can point to, where the tracks are
entirely different, but I do think that a diehard fanatic would listen
and say, "hey, this mix seems different." - The point being, this is
probably cooler for the packaging and just the historical value, more
than for the recordings themselves. It's just, you know, a weird little
chunk of rock history.

And, yes, from '90. From about a month or maybe two before Gish came out
- like, was that, fall? You probably know better than I do. Getting old,
you know...

Thanks for asking!
-Mike Po

 
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Was your version in alphabetical order? I've never understood how our two versions were different. I've always assumed Mike made different versions so he could track its distribution online.
Below is the exact order sent to me on two CD-Rs. The song titles were not provided. I believe I created the tracklisting, but maintained the same order.

DISC 1:
01. Egg
02. Bury Me
03. Bye June
04. Cinamon Girl
05. C'mon
06. Daughter
07. Daughter (extended)
08. Daydream
09. East (alt)
10. Honey Spider
11. Honey Spider (alt)
12. Honey Spider (alt heavy)
13. I am One
14. Love
15. Not Worth Asking
16. Psychodelic
17. Rhinoceros
18. Rhinoceros (alt)
19. Snap

DISC 2:
01. Stars Fall In
02. With You
03. Waiting for you Now
04. Fat Man Blues (abandoned) - Fat Man Blues (tease) - Fat Man Blues (1st half)
05. Fat Man Blues (2nd half) - Bleed (tease)
06. Bleed (2 false starts) - Bleed
07. She (2 false starts) - She (abandoned) - Vanilla (multiple teases)
08. Vanilla
09. My Dahlia (2 teases) - My Dahlia (abandoned) - My Dahlia (abandoned) - (jam tease) - Fat Man Blues (tease)
10. Waiting
11. Sun (abandoned w/teases) - Fat Man Blues (tease) - Stray Cat Blues (multiple teases)
12. Stray Cat Blues
13. I am One Pt.2

 
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recap:

3 songs o'rarities magnet:?xt=urn:btih:B4328E11BA9D7BD4...%27%20Rarities
nothing ever changes magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4D57A9531882F2E6...Ever%20Changes
reel time sessions magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6B42BBA7539AD8E2...ime%20Sessions
ignoffo tape magnet:?xt=urn:btih:49DE51857E63EB66...Ignoffo%20Tape
moon and smashing pumpkins demo tapes magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FBB4562DCD302D7E...emo%20tapes%29

gish rough mix magnet:?xt=urn:btihDAD5060E17E04CD741F9C4F098ACA A03FA34770&dn=Gish%20Rough%20Mix

quiet and other songs magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5CF40ADC639FFA9F...0Other%20Songs
kitty kat (original mix) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0E489B69AF3DE1A8...ginal%20mix%29
mashed potatoes magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0CC299F083B27CCD...hed%20Potatoes
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and this is not a torrent, but still online:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/t1...pre-master.zip

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The Smashing Pumpkins
Machina/the Machines of God
Complete Pre-Master

Lineage: the band > ??? > CD-R > EAC > FLAC, where "???" apparently does not *******
Howie Weinberg

Tracks:
1. The Everlasting Gaze
2. Raindrops + Sunshowers
3. Stand Inside Your Love
4. I of the Mourning
5. The Sacred and Profane
6. Try, Try, Try
7. Heavy Metal Machine
8. This Time
9. The Imploding Voice
10. Glass and the Ghost Children
11. Wound
12. The Crying Tree of Mercury
13. With Every Light
14. Blue Skies Bring Tears
15. Age of Innocence

Notes:
* On the CD-R, track 6 is missing the last several seconds. The missing
portion has been replaced with the requisite segment from the album as
commercially released.

* Tracks 4 and 7 (and possibly others as well) seem to be missing maybe the
very last 1 or 2 seconds (when compared to the album as commercially
released), but these are at the very end of fadeouts, and thus nothing has
been done to them. In other words: for all tracks except track 6, what you
have here is what is on the CD-R.

* Tracks 5 and 15 are different mixes than on the album as commercially
released.

FLAC fingerprints:
01 - The Everlasting Gaze.flac:2b63a3125a234c1245613209d97dafc7
02 - Raindrops + Sunshowers.flac:69137814379dc269ba4619af974b7249
03 - Stand Inside Your Love.flac:e1d1138f747d8c1ea235c324e8779793
04 - I of the Mourning.flac:83da57d5c183974789cdc2f8c2c98861
05 - The Sacred and Profane.flac:28be1f63472b6d30188a4c27269b56cf
06 - Try, Try, Try.flac:6afec529e2b7c3171e6ecdbba2cf7e09
07 - Heavy Metal Machine.flac:30185fc388d20be9121259b8e8d6de98
08 - This Time.flac:adae25000f97fe0ed36c92aa7756eaf1
09 - The Imploding Voice.flac:0cabc53eff631158a4dbf48d8795d2db
10 - Glass and the Ghost Children.flac:99f2717700dd8f17d087af407748344c
11 - Wound.flac:44da1aa4a4e80f25d7ba2bf4e7bf9917
12 - The Crying Tree of Mercury.flac:3c00a4f8923ec86c87c33143c312dc6a
13 - With Every Light.flac:3f1f317d01ce431a25ff401747073b05
14 - Blue Skies Bring Tears.flac:866d7a7aebd72087e641271c251ae62a
15 - Age of Innocence.flac:2c5107a6480676bd518777e63593a511

 
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I'm not smart and just learned that a pre-master is what the final album sounded like through the studio monitors, before it was mastered for cd or whatever medium.

 
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What like the Witch of Endor?

 
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I'm not smart and just learned that a pre-master is what the final album sounded like through the studio monitors, before it was mastered for cd or whatever medium.
it's the final mix in CD quality.

 
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CD quality would infer that it has been mastered, no?

As in, mastered for CD. Honest question.

 
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no. cd quality is 16 bit audio using a sample rate of 44.1 khz.

the final mix probably would've been on analogue tape initailly, and then digitally sampled - possibly to 24 or 32 bit files - then burnt to CD.

 
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