Had Oceania been released after MCIS - Page 3

redbreegull · 02-01-2018, 12:58 AM

even some of the shitty songs like Quasar and Chimera have good guitar parts. Monuments is a hot pile of dog crap

MarquisInSpades · 02-01-2018, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

Panopticon, Celestials, Violet Rays, Oceania before the third part comes in, Glissandra and Inkless are all pretty decent to good. They all suffer from bad singing and bad lyrics but that goes without saying. Everything on Monuments is at One Diamond One Heart level shitty

I feel the same way. I recently watched Anthony Fantano's review, and he was praised the album up to One Diamond, One Heart. He's not usually a very generous critic, so it was a nice surprise. Billy's singing was pretty good on Oceania.

ilikeplanets · 02-01-2018, 01:08 AM

Riiiiide onnnnn riiiiiide onnnnn

OOOH WILDFLOWAH WILDFLOW-AH

ilikeplanets · 02-01-2018, 01:08 AM

ONE AND ALL

WE YUM WE YUM

Shadaloo · 02-01-2018, 01:09 AM

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DOES THIS SOUND LIKE SOULLESS FUCKING DRECK? HUH!?!?!?!!!!

In retrospect, I think listening to Run2Me gave me genuine appreciation for G.L.O.W and Feelalo as actual examples of Bill trying by comparison.

I really enjoy Panopticon. I wish I knew what the fuck Bill was singing about, but that call-and-response feel of the guitars at the song's start gave me more of an SP vibe than anything in years.

reprise85 · 02-01-2018, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by houseofglass11

MtaE is good. I don't understand the level of hate it gets. He actually sang like Billy Corgan on that album. Dorian sounded like something straight off of Adore. And I don't care if you don't like the lyrics, "One and All" was a great guitar track.

the sound/feel itself could have been on adore but the lyrics and melody are garbage

ilikeplanets · 02-01-2018, 01:10 AM

i like Dorian but I was on LSD when I first heard it so it's not my fault

Fonzie · 02-01-2018, 01:51 AM

The liking it or the LSD? Which one was not your fault?

ilikeplanets · 02-01-2018, 01:55 AM

well the LSD isn't nearly as shameful, so I'll go with liking it is not my fault

Mals Marola · 02-01-2018, 12:11 PM

Dorian sounds more like a Machina or TFE outtake to me - in a good way, but still
the production isn't quite intricate or intimate enough to sound Adore-ish to me

in any case, Run2Me sucks in unbelievable ways, Anti-Hero's bad but at least sonically is a bit more tolerable
Being Beige i considered one of the bad tracks from that album for a while but after hearing it again recently i really can't say i hate it

Other than that i don't know what the fuck people are complaining about on that record. the songs are actually memorable and distinct, something I couldn't really say about the monochrome SD lite of Oceania

myosis · 02-01-2018, 12:52 PM

i don't have the album yet but i'll probably buy it someday in a sales bin because of Dorian...

MyKeyZ · 02-01-2018, 01:32 PM

MtaE? Only good song is Tiberius. The rest are forgettable. Being Beige, One And All, Drum + Fife are the worst of the bunch. I rather listen to Run2Me than those songs, THAT'S how much I dislike them. Weak lyrics combined with simplified/repetitive song structures. There's just no feeling. I saw them live on the co-tour with Manson at Jones Beach and you could feel the energy just drop when MtaE tracks were played. The MtaE tracks were just boring live. At least the lyrics and songwriting are a bit of an improvement on Ogilala, but the acoustic guitar/piano only angle gets boring after a while and what holds the album back. Billy can write some great acoustic and piano tracks, but not a whole album of this. The album needs variation.

themadcaplaughs · 02-01-2018, 02:11 PM

Other than Byrne's drumming, which sounds like something out of a Super Nintendo video game, Oceania was what I imagined a new Smashing Pumpkins album would sound like when Billy announced he was bringing it back in 2005. It does not reach the highs of the "classic three" albums, but if you close your eyes and pretend, you can imagine the 1992/93 version of the band might have played these songs for a day or two before discarding them and moving on to better songs for Siamese Dream.

smashingjj · 02-01-2018, 02:13 PM

MyKeyZ

smashingjj · 02-01-2018, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

It does not reach the highs of the "classic three" albums, but if you close your eyes and pretend, .

yeah thanks, I got better music to listen to. I still like to post on this forum and tell people that I got better music to listen to, though.

redbreegull · 02-01-2018, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mals Marola

Other than that i don't know what the fuck people are complaining about on that record. the songs are actually memorable and distinct

https://media1.tenor.com/images/19e5...3681/tenor.gif

MarquisInSpades · 02-01-2018, 02:59 PM

MTAE does sound great on a quad-DAC player along with a pair or high-fidelity headphones. Also, One And All is great, one of the few good tracks on the album that I genuinely enjoyed.

smashingjj · 02-01-2018, 03:18 PM

it sounds fine here in New Dehli

MyKeyZ · 02-01-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MarquisInSpades

MTAE does sound great on a quad-DAC player along with a pair or high-fidelity headphones.

Is that all I really need to enjoy this album?

I guess my Audio Technica ATH-M50x's and Tannoy Reveal 802 studio monitors aren't enough to truly appreciate this masterpiece.

Mals Marola · 02-01-2018, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

https://media1.tenor.com/images/19e5...3681/tenor.gif

relatively speaking, at least!

Mals Marola · 02-01-2018, 07:36 PM

like if you showed me the Monuments tracklisting i'd at least be able to hum the lead melody from each or whatever, Oceania you could have a gun to my head and i couldn't tell you Quasar from Panopticon

ilikeplanets · 02-01-2018, 08:23 PM

Quasar is the worst one

ilikeplanets · 02-01-2018, 08:24 PM

KRISHNA RIIIIIIIDE ON

ButtHash · 02-01-2018, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mals Marola

like if you showed me the Monuments tracklisting i'd at least be able to hum the lead melody from each or whatever, Oceania you could have a gun to my head and i couldn't tell you Quasar from Panopticon

I reckon I'd agree with this. A song like My Love Is Winter just doesn't have any strong identifying hooks. For better or worse, most the songs of the songs on MTAE kind of do. But its such a hollow album at the end of the day, it's like this weird husk of Smashing Pumpkins.

I remember being excited to hear Anaise! after hearing the 30 second Amazon sample of the chorus. Then I heard the verses :|

fuzzyroes · 02-01-2018, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by redbreegull

Panopticon, Celestials, Violet Rays, Oceania before the third part comes in, Glissandra and Inkless are all pretty decent to good. They all suffer from bad singing and bad lyrics but that goes without saying. Everything on Monuments is at One Diamond One Heart level shitty

Jeeze, you like some of the songs that I found the most boring. Inkless is an MGMT rip-off...

I will say that the only 2 songs that I thought were half-decent were Violet Rays and Oceania, so at least we agree on that. Not sure how you could possibly enjoy a song like "Glissandra" though... That's some Teargarden level bullshit.

fuzzyroes · 02-01-2018, 10:00 PM

I think most of the appreciation for Oceania stems from the fact that it attempted to go down the list and check all of the boxes for "Smashing Pumpkins nostalgia"... Which is fine and dandy in theory, but you still need the songs and musicianship to back it up.

Oceania is essentially Billy Corgan saying "Oh yeah? You don't think I can make Smashing Pumpkins sounding music anymore?!? WELL CHECK THIS OUT!"... And then it's just boring crud.

TuralyonW3 · 02-01-2018, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzzyroes

I think most of the appreciation for Oceania stems from the fact that it attempted to go down the list and check all of the boxes for "Smashing Pumpkins nostalgia"... Which is fine and dandy in theory, but you still need the songs and musicianship to back it up.

Oceania is essentially Billy Corgan saying "Oh yeah? You don't think I can make Smashing Pumpkins sounding music anymore?!? WELL CHECK THIS OUT!"... And then it's just boring crud.

And ironically the best song (for me) is Pinwheels, which sounds the least like any old SP stuff (kinda sounds like FuturEmbrace if anything)

myosis · 02-01-2018, 11:36 PM

i see all these song titles and nothing comes to mind... i don't know which is what

run2pee · 02-02-2018, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by myosis

i see all these song titles and nothing comes to mind... i don't know which is what

Yeah me2
Fucken there’s that one goes mothermoon is that pinwheels
Or is that the i’ll kiss anyone’s tonight

ilikeplanets · 02-02-2018, 12:09 AM

Oh God I hate that one. Sistah souuul~

How are people finding Oceania any better than MTAE again?

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02-01-2018, 12:58 AM	#61
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	even some of the shitty songs like Quasar and Chimera have good guitar parts. Monuments is a hot pile of dog crap

02-01-2018, 01:08 AM	#63
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	Riiiiide onnnnn riiiiiide onnnnn OOOH WILDFLOWAH WILDFLOW-AH

02-01-2018, 01:10 AM	#67
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	i like Dorian but I was on LSD when I first heard it so it's not my fault

02-01-2018, 01:51 AM	#68
Fonzie Dute of Seven Y's Location: Mr. C's garage Posts: 7,765	The liking it or the LSD? Which one was not your fault?

02-01-2018, 01:55 AM	#69
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	well the LSD isn't nearly as shameful, so I'll go with liking it is not my fault

02-01-2018, 12:11 PM	#70
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	Dorian sounds more like a Machina or TFE outtake to me - in a good way, but still the production isn't quite intricate or intimate enough to sound Adore-ish to me in any case, Run2Me sucks in unbelievable ways, Anti-Hero's bad but at least sonically is a bit more tolerable Being Beige i considered one of the bad tracks from that album for a while but after hearing it again recently i really can't say i hate it Other than that i don't know what the fuck people are complaining about on that record. the songs are actually memorable and distinct, something I couldn't really say about the monochrome SD lite of Oceania

02-01-2018, 12:52 PM	#71
myosis Minion of Satan Location: the institute Posts: 6,421	i don't have the album yet but i'll probably buy it someday in a sales bin because of Dorian...

02-01-2018, 01:32 PM	#72
MyKeyZ Apocalyptic Poster Location: A very stable individual Posts: 1,690	MtaE? Only good song is Tiberius. The rest are forgettable. Being Beige, One And All, Drum + Fife are the worst of the bunch. I rather listen to Run2Me than those songs, THAT'S how much I dislike them. Weak lyrics combined with simplified/repetitive song structures. There's just no feeling. I saw them live on the co-tour with Manson at Jones Beach and you could feel the energy just drop when MtaE tracks were played. The MtaE tracks were just boring live. At least the lyrics and songwriting are a bit of an improvement on Ogilala, but the acoustic guitar/piano only angle gets boring after a while and what holds the album back. Billy can write some great acoustic and piano tracks, but not a whole album of this. The album needs variation.

02-01-2018, 02:11 PM	#73
themadcaplaughs Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,628	Other than Byrne's drumming, which sounds like something out of a Super Nintendo video game, Oceania was what I imagined a new Smashing Pumpkins album would sound like when Billy announced he was bringing it back in 2005. It does not reach the highs of the "classic three" albums, but if you close your eyes and pretend, you can imagine the 1992/93 version of the band might have played these songs for a day or two before discarding them and moving on to better songs for Siamese Dream.

02-01-2018, 02:13 PM	#74
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,903	MyKeyZ

02-01-2018, 02:59 PM	#77
MarquisInSpades Banned Location: /private/etc/hosts.txt Posts: 1,901	MTAE does sound great on a quad-DAC player along with a pair or high-fidelity headphones. Also, One And All is great, one of the few good tracks on the album that I genuinely enjoyed.

02-01-2018, 03:18 PM	#78
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,903	it sounds fine here in New Dehli

02-01-2018, 07:36 PM	#81
Mals Marola Socialphobic Location: Your god damn living room Posts: 10,000	like if you showed me the Monuments tracklisting i'd at least be able to hum the lead melody from each or whatever, Oceania you could have a gun to my head and i couldn't tell you Quasar from Panopticon

02-01-2018, 08:23 PM	#82
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	Quasar is the worst one

02-01-2018, 08:24 PM	#83
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	KRISHNA RIIIIIIIDE ON

02-01-2018, 10:00 PM	#86
fuzzyroes Banned Posts: 21,169	I think most of the appreciation for Oceania stems from the fact that it attempted to go down the list and check all of the boxes for "Smashing Pumpkins nostalgia"... Which is fine and dandy in theory, but you still need the songs and musicianship to back it up. Oceania is essentially Billy Corgan saying "Oh yeah? You don't think I can make Smashing Pumpkins sounding music anymore?!? WELL CHECK THIS OUT!"... And then it's just boring crud.

02-01-2018, 11:36 PM	#88
myosis Minion of Satan Location: the institute Posts: 6,421	i see all these song titles and nothing comes to mind... i don't know which is what

02-02-2018, 12:09 AM	#90
ilikeplanets Braindead Location: Ignore List Posts: 17,229	Oh God I hate that one. Sistah souuul~ How are people finding Oceania any better than MTAE again?