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Old 12-12-2012, 10:06 PM   #151
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But in exchange you'd have to deal with a human Jesus.
I could deal with it. I think. Actually I couldn't, I love mah Jaysus. I just want the holidays.

 
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:28 PM   #152
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so according to a law from a religion I don't believe in, I belong to them

ok makes sense
dude jews are more than just the religion
like howard stern is an atheist but he still identifies as a jew
woody allen too

 
Old 12-12-2012, 11:43 PM   #153
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what are you talking about


Nobody ever really gets away from being raised catholic

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:00 AM   #154
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i call it residual catholicism

and eulogy's binary view of right and wrong is definitely a symptom

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:04 AM   #155
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i call it residual catholicism

and eulogy's binary view of right and wrong is definitely a symptom
leave me the fuck alone

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:21 AM   #156
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yeah so our entire society is molded around Christianity, it permeates our every institution, our every moral judgement, and our every thought... but if you don't believe Jesus died on the cross for the sins of mankind, you aren't Christian.

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:30 AM   #157
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dude jews are more than just the religion
like howard stern is an atheist but he still identifies as a jew
woody allen too
well that's their right but I don't get it. I'm descended from Europeans, I definitely don't have anything beyond nominal Hebrew-race blood in my veins. I think Yahweh is a fucking clown of a character who basically embodies a lot of crappy human qualities. I think Jewish laws about food and the body are archaically-minded nonsense. I've never been to a temple service, I wasn't bar mitzvahed, and I think Israel is a dangerous rogue state which should have all US funding pulled. I find nothing appealing about Judaism. I would identify myself as a cultural Christian before I would identify myself as a cultural Jew.

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:32 AM   #158
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eh nvm

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:28 AM   #159
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still a jew. BURN HIM

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 05:33 AM   #160
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All I was saying about language was that I don't know if Germans have an exact translation for the English holocaust literally meaning sacrificial destruction by fire, and if they do, I don't know if that word is the word they use to refer to THE HOLOCAUST. And holocaust did not go out of use hundreds of years ago, I don't even know what you are talking about
what what what. a) germans use the word "der Holocaust". b) holocaust is a greek word that is (as far as i know) never used in english in its literal sense. in all the bible translations i know it's (i.e. the parts that could be translated from hebrew into greek like that-i think they are in the septuagint) translated "burnt offering" or some shit. as for greek religion, i think scholars would prefer to call that holokauston or something.

but as for what i said earlier, i have nothing against using the term for a whole bunch of things. i was just stating the situation in germany (i thought it might be interesting to some since germany is the first association with the word i'm sure).

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 06:11 AM   #161
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Der man, der hat, der kuss. Der something der autobus.

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:06 AM   #162
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eulogy stop being such a goddamn baby about anyone saying anything to you at all jesus fucking christ

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:07 AM   #163
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einen Fuß in den anus

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:11 PM   #164
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well that's their right but I don't get it. I'm descended from Europeans, I definitely don't have anything beyond nominal Hebrew-race blood in my veins. I think Yahweh is a fucking clown of a character who basically embodies a lot of crappy human qualities. I think Jewish laws about food and the body are archaically-minded nonsense. I've never been to a temple service, I wasn't bar mitzvahed, and I think Israel is a dangerous rogue state which should have all US funding pulled. I find nothing appealing about Judaism. I would identify myself as a cultural Christian before I would identify myself as a cultural Jew.
the examples i used basically all agree with you
like howard and woody were bar mitzvahead but they didn't buy into any of the rituals they just went along with it to make their parents happy

like you're an...ethnic jew? but you can be one and not follow the religion
its like jews arent exactly a race but they're a people of distinct characteristics
i dont know
i'm incoherent

are you neurotic? cause that would settle it

 
Old 12-13-2012, 01:11 PM   #165
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I was raised catholic, but consider myself an atheist now. However, the culture of the church is part of who I am whether I want it to be or not. The way I think was heavily influenced by the church, and I still have to interact with my family, which is mostly still active in the church.

and despite my protestations, if I die before my wife I know she'll have a priest in the room giving me last rights. IMO most people who are raised catholic are catholic for life, whether they believe or practice it.

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:44 PM   #166
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i think that's widely and wildly overstated.

did it help shape who i am? of course. but beyond that, it's no longer a part of my life. if anyone puts a priest anywhere near me at my death bed i hope someone knows i would want them to be punched in the fucking mouth.

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:27 PM   #167
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i'm an ethnic jew

i really hated Judaism for a long time. i'm definitely a non believer, but christian values minus christ minus hell certainly appeals to me more than Christianity.

jews aren't really a race but there are some debated qualities like higher than average verbal intelligence and low spatial intelligence whatever who cares

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Old 12-13-2012, 02:31 PM   #168
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pretty sure that's racist and the resulting "seeming intelligence difference" i'll call it is a result of jewish culture and not biological differences

but anecdotally that probably describes me (high verbal low spacial) and i was raised pretty much in a secular household so whatever

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:32 PM   #169
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i mean it's a global conspiracy satanic jews are in high places and favor satanic jews right omega concern and im a satanic jew athiest

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:49 PM   #170
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if anyone puts a priest anywhere near me at my death bed i hope someone knows i would want them to be punched in the fucking mouth.
10 years ago my father almost died of pneumonia. They told us at one point that he wouldn't survive the night and we should all say goodbye. He was heavily drugged and had a mask over his face. We weren't sure if he was actually conscious. But when a priest walked into the room (to offer last rights) my dad lifted his hand off the bed and gave the priest the middle finger.


 
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Old 12-13-2012, 04:54 PM   #171
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The physical characteristics that people associate with Jews might have to do with the Jews being traditionally insular in their communities, so certain traits get exaggerated and propagated while the introduction of genes from outside those communities is fairly limited. This is actually the same phenomena which makes us visually recognize people of any "race," be it black, caucasian, or maori... communities of individuals who breed exclusively within their community have certain phenotypes emphasized strongly. So maybe Jews could be considered a race in that way, but a lot of East Europeans have those sorts of features also. I have heard that Israelis are actually amazingly diverse looking.


I definitely don't buy this idea that being raised something makes you espoused to it forever whether you like it or not. Like I already pointed out, we live in a society that is deeply, deeply culturally Christian, and even most non-Christians have Christian-esque moral values. That is not the same as actually being a Christian by religion, which requires a literal faith in Jesus as the son of God. Scotty, I was raised with Judaism only on the periphery of my awareness. It's not like I went through Hebrew school and shit and then turned my back on it later. It has never been something I identify with. My parents were both raised Jewish and probably still identify as such even though they are hardly religious at all, which I guess is what you are saying, but to me it has never been an important or influential part of my life. Other than having the heritage, I am by no measure Jewish at all.

 
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Shut up, Zionist!

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:05 PM   #173
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my parents were raised catholic and rejected the church sometime in their 20s but they're still pretty conservative in some areas and have raised me similar. i mean we all detest the church but we're still kind of catholic

for example, my parents taught me about sex by giving me a book and hoping health class took care of the rest

also we're all pretty moralistic and judgmental, and my mom uses guilt to get what she wants (sometimes)

my awful old guy roommate was similar too he was irish american like me, rejected the church, but put him in a priest costume he'd fool everyone. his use of guilt to get what he wants would have made an irish catholic mother blush.

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Old 12-13-2012, 07:22 PM   #174
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The physical characteristics that people associate with Jews might have to do with the Jews being traditionally insular in their communities, so certain traits get exaggerated and propagated while the introduction of genes from outside those communities is fairly limited. This is actually the same phenomena which makes us visually recognize people of any "race," be it black, caucasian, or maori... communities of individuals who breed exclusively within their community have certain phenotypes emphasized strongly. So maybe Jews could be considered a race in that way, but a lot of East Europeans have those sorts of features also. I have heard that Israelis are actually amazingly diverse looking.


I definitely don't buy this idea that being raised something makes you espoused to it forever whether you like it or not. Like I already pointed out, we live in a society that is deeply, deeply culturally Christian, and even most non-Christians have Christian-esque moral values. That is not the same as actually being a Christian by religion, which requires a literal faith in Jesus as the son of God. Scotty, I was raised with Judaism only on the periphery of my awareness. It's not like I went through Hebrew school and shit and then turned my back on it later. It has never been something I identify with. My parents were both raised Jewish and probably still identify as such even though they are hardly religious at all, which I guess is what you are saying, but to me it has never been an important or influential part of my life. Other than having the heritage, I am by no measure Jewish at all.
Please can you not talk about what being a Christian requires. It upsets me.

 
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Iets upset Vixnix

 
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it's not hard

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:10 PM   #177
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now I'm upset I'm going to go and have a bath and calm myself down

 
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:53 PM   #178
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vixnix is a christian who rejects the vast majority of the basic tenets of christianity

 
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:03 AM   #179
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Bath salts! That's some wicked shit.

 
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Why would anyone want to be a Christian?

 
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