Joe Strummer Dead

Fish · 12-23-2002, 07:12 AM

Sorry if this has already been posted -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/2600669.stm

Sacred Age Of Innocence · 12-23-2002, 07:19 AM

Oh shit I never was a fan of his but I saw him in April 02. It wasn't a bad show as I was there taping Nada Surf opening for them.

Irrelevant · 12-23-2002, 07:33 AM

yeah.

strange_one · 12-23-2002, 09:29 AM

the last few records he did were pretty damn fine

mojo · 12-23-2002, 01:13 PM

london calling is the greatest double ever - inluding mcis and the white album. pretty much every song is a stone cold classic. respect, as they say, is due. (goes off to play the card cheat and sob)

raygun · 12-23-2002, 02:27 PM

I almost burst when I popped in Sandinista after finding out this morning....

Radiofred · 12-23-2002, 02:41 PM

I dunno what to say......Im gonna miss him and his music!

They said release 'Remote Control'
But we didn't want it on the label
They said, "Fly to Amsterdam"
The people laughed but the press went mad

Ooh ooh ooh someone's really smart
Ooh ooh ooh complete control, that's a laugh

On the last tour my mates couldn't get in
I'd open up the back door but they'd get run out again
At every hotel we was met by the Law
Come for the party - come to make sure!

Ooh ooh ooh have we done something wrong?
Ooh ooh ooh complete control, even over this song

They said we'd be artistically free
When we signed that bit of paper
They meant let's make a lotsa mon-ee
An' worry about it later

Ooh ooh ooh I'll never understand
Ooh ooh ooh complete control - lemme see your other hand!

All over the news spread fast
They're dirty, they're filthy
They ain't gonna last!

This is Joe Public speaking
I'm controlled in the body, controlled in the mind

Total
C-o-n control - that means you!

mirrar · 12-23-2002, 04:11 PM

holy shit thats REALLY sad....

a fistful of yen · 12-23-2002, 04:56 PM

Tessellation · 12-23-2002, 06:45 PM

and just a few months shy of performing @ the Rock and Roll HoF.
sad.

strange_one · 12-23-2002, 10:33 PM

from BBC news:
BILLY BRAGG: THE JOE I KNEW

By Billy Bragg
Musician and songwriter

The Clash were the greatest rebel rock band of all time. Their commitment
to making political pop culture was the defining mark of the British punk
movement.

They were also a self-mythologising, style-obsessed mass of contradictions.

That's why they were called The Clash.

They wanted desperately to be rock stars but they also wanted to make a
difference.

While Paul Simonon flashed his glorious cheekbones and Mick Jones threw
guitar hero shapes, no-one struggled more manfully with the gap between the
myth and the reality of being a spokesman for your generation than Joe
Strummer.

All musicians start out with ideals but hanging on to them in the face of
media scrutiny takes real integrity.

Tougher still is to live up to the ideals of your dedicated fans.

Joe opened the back door of the theatre and let us in, he sneaked us back
to the hotel for a beer, he too believed in the righteous power of
rock'n'roll.

And if he didn't change the world he changed our perception of it. He
crossed the dynamicism of punk with Johnny Too Bad and started that
punky-reggae party.

RADICAL BAND

He drew us, thousands strong, onto the streets of London in support of Rock
Against Racism.

He sent us into the the garage to crank up our electric guitars. He made me
cut my hair.

The ideals that still motivate me as an artist come not from punk, not even
from the Clash, but from Joe Strummer.

The first wave of punk bands had a rather ambivalent attitude to the
politics of late 70s Britain. The Sex Pistols, The Damned, the Stranglers,
none of them, not even the Jam, came close to the radicalism that informed
everything the Clash did and said.

The US punk scene was even less committed. The Ramones, Talking Heads,
Heartbreakers and Blondie all were devoid of politics.

Were it not for the Clash, punk would have been just a sneer, a safety pin
and a pair of bondage trousers.

Instead, the incendiary lyrics of the Clash inspired 1,000 more bands on
both sides of the Atlantic to spring up and challenge their elders and the
man that we all looked to was Joe Strummer.

INSPIRING FORM

He was the White Man in Hammersmith Palais who influenced the Two Tone
Movement. He kept it real and inspired the Manic Street Preachers.

And he never lost our respect. His recent albums with the Mescaleros found
him on inspiring form once again, mixing and matching styles and rhythms in
celebration of multi-culturalism.

At his final gig, in November in London, Mick Jones got up with him and
together they played a few old Clash tunes.

It was a benefit concert for the firefighters union.

One of the hardest things to do in rock'n'roll is walk it like you talk it.

Joe Strummer epitomised that ideal and I will miss him greatly.

© BBC, MMII

THRILLHO · 12-23-2002, 11:04 PM

OH MY GOD, that fucking sucks
i never really was a fan of joe's solo stuff but it wasn't cheesy, i can give it that. he kept his ideals and credibility into old age. and the clash were absolute gods... such shitty news.

Enzed · 12-23-2002, 11:08 PM

if you check out the 'tributes' bit on the BBC website, there's a lot of people there who have opened up for him in the past reminscing.

Including some guy called "Ian Astbury" from some band called the 'Southern Death Cult'

"In 1982 my dream came true when SDC got to support The Clash in Stoke. His music will live on. His name is synonymous with integrity. CLASH FOREVER.
Ian Astbury (SDC/Holy Barbarians), UK "

Amazing Disgrace · 12-24-2002, 11:21 PM

A truly great musician who never comprimised himself or his music...

He will be greatly missed.

Pumpkinpie · 12-25-2002, 08:54 PM

clahs never meant anything to me......have heard the song london calling and it's mediocre.........i am apathetic about this guys dead........dunno who he is........

Tired of "Me" · 12-25-2002, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pumpkinpie
clahs never meant anything to me......have heard the song london calling and it's mediocre.........i am apathetic about this guys dead........dunno who he is........

Go to hell, you ignorant Spanish bastard. Just because you don't know him it doesn't mean he wasn't good. You don't know shit about music.

Fuck you.

Pumpkinpie · 12-26-2002, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tired of "Me"

Go to hell, you ignorant Spanish bastard. Just because you don't know him it doesn't mean he wasn't good. You don't know shit about music.

Fuck you.

uh, who said i was spanish?? lol i don't know if he is any good, the song london calling sucks though.......and what is the clash for a bandname anyway???
i do know a shit about music lol, why do everyone has to like the clash for??? they aren't better than Jane's addiction......they rock

Enzed · 12-26-2002, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pumpkinpie

uh, who said i was spanish??

you did, you fucking jerk.

Quote:

Originally posted by Pumpkinpie
lol i don't know if he is any good, the song london calling sucks though.......and what is the clash for a bandname anyway???
i do know a shit about music lol, why do everyone has to like the clash for??? they aren't better than Jane's addiction......they rock

You're obviously some 12 year old with no fucking clue. Go back to the o-board.

Pumpkinpie · 12-26-2002, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Enzed

you did, you fucking jerk.

You're obviously some 12 year old with no fucking clue. Go back to the o-board.

i never said i was spanish....i live in spain but i am NOT spanish......IT'S NOT THE SAME, DO YOU KNOW THAT????

uh, no i am not 12, but i am not 50 something like you either.......neil young that's what i call the 70s rock........he's way more important that ....what's his name again.......

killed radio star · 12-26-2002, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pumpkinpie

i never said i was spanish....i live in spain but i am NOT spanish......IT'S NOT THE SAME, DO YOU KNOW THAT????

uh, no i am not 12, but i am not 50 something like you either.......neil young that's what i call the 70s rock........he's way more important that ....what's his name again.......

killfiled

killed radio star · 12-26-2002, 07:54 PM

it's one thing to have an opinion. i'm fine with that. just make sure it's an educated one.

it's not about liking the clash, it's about having respect for a musician who was ridiculously important to the world of music. ever see how many of your favorite bands list the clash as an influence? stretch your literacy muscle and go find out.

speaking of educated opinions, here's one for you.

you're a fucking idiot.

Pumpkinpie · 12-26-2002, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by killed radio star
it's one thing to have an opinion. i'm fine with that. just make sure it's an educated one.

it's not about liking the clash, it's about having respect for a musician who was ridiculously important to the world of music. ever see how many of your favorite bands list the clash as an influence? stretch your literacy muscle and go find out.

speaking of educated opinions, here's one for you.

you're a fucking idiot.

who says he is important?? more important than ramones?? or sex pistols?? who says you are right and i am wrong?? who says your favorite bands are more important than mine?? and what bands had clash as their influence then???

12-23-2002, 07:12 AM	#1
Fish Demi-God Location: London (Cardiff Uni in term time) UK Posts: 392	Joe Strummer Dead Sorry if this has already been posted - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/2600669.stm

12-23-2002, 06:45 PM	#10
Tessellation Apocalyptic Poster Location: your local library Posts: 4,417	and just a few months shy of performing @ the Rock and Roll HoF. sad. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

12-23-2002, 11:08 PM	#13
Enzed Apocalyptic Poster Location: Next door Posts: 2,541	if you check out the 'tributes' bit on the BBC website, there's a lot of people there who have opened up for him in the past reminscing. Including some guy called "Ian Astbury" from some band called the 'Southern Death Cult' "In 1982 my dream came true when SDC got to support The Clash in Stoke. His music will live on. His name is synonymous with integrity. CLASH FOREVER. Ian Astbury (SDC/Holy Barbarians), UK " __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 5 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

12-23-2002, 07:19 AM	#2
Sacred Age Of Innocence Ownz Posts: 728	Oh shit I never was a fan of his but I saw him in April 02. It wasn't a bad show as I was there taping Nada Surf opening for them.

12-23-2002, 07:33 AM	#3
Irrelevant Minion of Satan Location: kitties Posts: 6,842	yeah.

12-23-2002, 09:29 AM	#4
strange_one No Chance Location: Here Posts: 13,788	the last few records he did were pretty damn fine

12-23-2002, 01:13 PM	#5
mojo Ownz Location: london, uk Posts: 546	london calling is the greatest double ever - inluding mcis and the white album. pretty much every song is a stone cold classic. respect, as they say, is due. (goes off to play the card cheat and sob)

12-23-2002, 02:27 PM	#6
raygun Demi-God Location: Rockville or Waltham Posts: 353	I almost burst when I popped in Sandinista after finding out this morning....

12-23-2002, 02:41 PM	#7
Radiofred Apocalyptic Poster Location: Earth Posts: 1,588	I dunno what to say......Im gonna miss him and his music! They said release 'Remote Control' But we didn't want it on the label They said, "Fly to Amsterdam" The people laughed but the press went mad Ooh ooh ooh someone's really smart Ooh ooh ooh complete control, that's a laugh On the last tour my mates couldn't get in I'd open up the back door but they'd get run out again At every hotel we was met by the Law Come for the party - come to make sure! Ooh ooh ooh have we done something wrong? Ooh ooh ooh complete control, even over this song They said we'd be artistically free When we signed that bit of paper They meant let's make a lotsa mon-ee An' worry about it later Ooh ooh ooh I'll never understand Ooh ooh ooh complete control - lemme see your other hand! All over the news spread fast They're dirty, they're filthy They ain't gonna last! This is Joe Public speaking I'm controlled in the body, controlled in the mind Total C-o-n control - that means you!

12-23-2002, 04:11 PM	#8
mirrar Braindead Location: in our bedroom, after the war. Posts: 19,826	holy shit thats REALLY sad....

12-23-2002, 04:56 PM	#9
a fistful of yen Ownz Location: Oakland, California Posts: 774

12-23-2002, 10:33 PM	#11
strange_one No Chance Location: Here Posts: 13,788	from BBC news: BILLY BRAGG: THE JOE I KNEW By Billy Bragg Musician and songwriter The Clash were the greatest rebel rock band of all time. Their commitment to making political pop culture was the defining mark of the British punk movement. They were also a self-mythologising, style-obsessed mass of contradictions. That's why they were called The Clash. They wanted desperately to be rock stars but they also wanted to make a difference. While Paul Simonon flashed his glorious cheekbones and Mick Jones threw guitar hero shapes, no-one struggled more manfully with the gap between the myth and the reality of being a spokesman for your generation than Joe Strummer. All musicians start out with ideals but hanging on to them in the face of media scrutiny takes real integrity. Tougher still is to live up to the ideals of your dedicated fans. Joe opened the back door of the theatre and let us in, he sneaked us back to the hotel for a beer, he too believed in the righteous power of rock'n'roll. And if he didn't change the world he changed our perception of it. He crossed the dynamicism of punk with Johnny Too Bad and started that punky-reggae party. RADICAL BAND He drew us, thousands strong, onto the streets of London in support of Rock Against Racism. He sent us into the the garage to crank up our electric guitars. He made me cut my hair. The ideals that still motivate me as an artist come not from punk, not even from the Clash, but from Joe Strummer. The first wave of punk bands had a rather ambivalent attitude to the politics of late 70s Britain. The Sex Pistols, The Damned, the Stranglers, none of them, not even the Jam, came close to the radicalism that informed everything the Clash did and said. The US punk scene was even less committed. The Ramones, Talking Heads, Heartbreakers and Blondie all were devoid of politics. Were it not for the Clash, punk would have been just a sneer, a safety pin and a pair of bondage trousers. Instead, the incendiary lyrics of the Clash inspired 1,000 more bands on both sides of the Atlantic to spring up and challenge their elders and the man that we all looked to was Joe Strummer. INSPIRING FORM He was the White Man in Hammersmith Palais who influenced the Two Tone Movement. He kept it real and inspired the Manic Street Preachers. And he never lost our respect. His recent albums with the Mescaleros found him on inspiring form once again, mixing and matching styles and rhythms in celebration of multi-culturalism. At his final gig, in November in London, Mick Jones got up with him and together they played a few old Clash tunes. It was a benefit concert for the firefighters union. One of the hardest things to do in rock'n'roll is walk it like you talk it. Joe Strummer epitomised that ideal and I will miss him greatly. © BBC, MMII

12-23-2002, 11:04 PM	#12
THRILLHO Apocalyptic Poster Location: vancouver Posts: 2,092	OH MY GOD, that fucking sucks i never really was a fan of joe's solo stuff but it wasn't cheesy, i can give it that. he kept his ideals and credibility into old age. and the clash were absolute gods... such shitty news.

12-24-2002, 11:21 PM	#14
Amazing Disgrace Banned Posts: 466	A truly great musician who never comprimised himself or his music... He will be greatly missed.

12-25-2002, 08:54 PM	#15
Pumpkinpie Pledge Location: Spain,Europe Posts: 68	clahs never meant anything to me......have heard the song london calling and it's mediocre.........i am apathetic about this guys dead........dunno who he is........

12-26-2002, 07:54 PM	#21
killed radio star Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 3,205	it's one thing to have an opinion. i'm fine with that. just make sure it's an educated one. it's not about liking the clash, it's about having respect for a musician who was ridiculously important to the world of music. ever see how many of your favorite bands list the clash as an influence? stretch your literacy muscle and go find out. speaking of educated opinions, here's one for you. you're a fucking idiot.