Bleeding the Orchid was intentionally written to sound like Alice in Chains

Space Girl 1979 · 06:11 PM

@SmashingPumpkin song"Bleeding the Orchid" was deliberately styled after the music of Alice in Chains. A band that @Billy greatly admires
— The SPfreaks Team (@SPfreaks) March 8, 2012

Sounds more like a poorly done (and tasteless, if you consider the heroin underpinnings of the lyrics and the fate of AIC's singer) rip off rather than homage... just my 2 cents.

hafsteinn · 03-09-2012, 07:40 PM

if you are digging for negatives things to say then this is pretty weak.

Order 66 · 03-09-2012, 07:51 PM

huh? i knew it was an AiC tribute/ripoff right away. though i think its more of an homage to that era of music in general

i thought it was good actually. one of the better newer songs, and i am not a zeitgeist fan

RenewRevive · 03-09-2012, 08:19 PM

he said at the time that it was a tribute to AIC; and no, it doesn't sound anything like them. the song itself seems one of the more highly-regarded on Zeitgeist and whilst i think it could have been promising i've never really liked it.

redbreegull · 03-09-2012, 09:55 PM

another zeitgeist song that has potential and moments of brilliance peeking through, but ultimately falls hard due to production, mix, vocals

stripes · 03-09-2012, 11:05 PM

themadcaplaughs · 03-09-2012, 11:32 PM

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another zeitgeist song that has potential and moments of brilliance peeking through, but ultimately falls hard due to production, mix, vocals

Agreed. Back when I was still really pumped about the band being back and trying to point out positives about Zeitgeist, I always pointed out this one...really not a great song in its final incarnation.

reprise85 · 03-09-2012, 11:44 PM

yep. the bolly choir at the beginning followed by dry as fuck vocals with no emotion

all of the parts of the song are good. lyrics aren't even bad. music is p good. but put it all together and it verges on pile of shit

ghost-mutt · 03-10-2012, 01:30 AM

cool story

it's not exactly a secret that this song was sort of a tribute to aic and to bc's generation in general. i actually like this song too.

houseofglass11 · 03-10-2012, 04:26 AM

There was an interview around the time of Zeitgeist where he talked about this song. He said that AIC was a band that he sort of overlooked at the time they were around and that in hindsight they were one of the best bands of the grunge era and that they had a lot of depth to their sound musically and lyrically. He said it was a sort of tribute to them and to Layne. There's nothing tasteless about it.

Trotskilicious · 03-10-2012, 04:58 AM

yeah i feel that. I hated them at the time but compared to bands i liked in hindsight, they were a step ahead

i still don't really want to listen to the lamentations of a heroin junkie

Starla · 03-10-2012, 06:59 AM

Has Layne responded to this from the afterlife?

ghost-mutt · 03-10-2012, 08:48 AM

aic are awesome btw

aztec litany service · 03-10-2012, 11:04 AM

yeah my only prob w/ aic is they didn't do more stuff

zg will always suck tho

teh b0lly!!1 · 03-10-2012, 11:53 AM

man Rooster is one of the most wicked rock songs of the 90s

Cool As Ice Cream · 03-10-2012, 12:00 PM

and tarantula was a scorpions song, right?

redbreegull · 03-10-2012, 12:36 PM

b0lly also said once that this song is about how the bands of the 90s failed because they had the chance to change the model through which music is made and didn't

Reyngel · 03-10-2012, 03:39 PM

Like most of Zeitgeist, good music, awful vocals.

If he'd just give up the terrible vibrato he tries to instill into every held note, his vocals would sound so much better.

vbshlofbvgos · 03-10-2012, 05:38 PM

wow i hadn't listened to anything from zeitgeist in ages. it actually sounds worse than i remembered. perhaps it was well liked at the time because it was one of the least offensive songs on the album? anyway like everybody said the music itself isn't bad its just... everything else.

themadcaplaughs · 03-10-2012, 06:22 PM

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least offensive songs on the album?

Have you herd the Billy-choir?

teh b0lly!!1 · 03-10-2012, 06:26 PM

It's like hearing cats fucking outside only with a lot of reverb

great poster · 03-11-2012, 12:12 AM

did you really just link me to a smashing pumpkins/kingdom hearts mashup? fuck you

TheGirl · 03-11-2012, 11:34 PM

Nice. That's the only song on Z. that I really enjoyed.

aztec litany service · 03-12-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by themadcaplaughs

Have you herd the Billy-choir?

that should be the new name for it
the billy-herd

i dl'd the aic stuff again cause of this thread, still rocks

03-09-2012, 05:59 PM	#1
Space Girl 1979 Ownz Posts: 724	Bleeding the Orchid was intentionally written to sound like Alice in Chains @SmashingPumpkin song"Bleeding the Orchid" was deliberately styled after the music of Alice in Chains. A band that @Billy greatly admires — The SPfreaks Team (@SPfreaks) March 8, 2012 Sounds more like a poorly done (and tasteless, if you consider the heroin underpinnings of the lyrics and the fate of AIC's singer) rip off rather than homage... just my 2 cents. Last edited by Space Girl 1979 : 03-09-2012 at 06:11 PM.

03-09-2012, 11:05 PM	#6
stripes Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 2,175	okay

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03-09-2012, 07:40 PM	#2
hafsteinn Pledge Location: Iceland Posts: 91	if you are digging for negatives things to say then this is pretty weak.

03-09-2012, 07:51 PM	#3
Order 66 Socialphobic Posts: 11,831	huh? i knew it was an AiC tribute/ripoff right away. though i think its more of an homage to that era of music in general i thought it was good actually. one of the better newer songs, and i am not a zeitgeist fan

03-09-2012, 08:19 PM	#4
RenewRevive Minion of Satan Location: Welcome to the real world jackass Posts: 5,056	he said at the time that it was a tribute to AIC; and no, it doesn't sound anything like them. the song itself seems one of the more highly-regarded on Zeitgeist and whilst i think it could have been promising i've never really liked it.

03-09-2012, 09:55 PM	#5
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	another zeitgeist song that has potential and moments of brilliance peeking through, but ultimately falls hard due to production, mix, vocals

03-09-2012, 11:44 PM	#8
reprise85 BOTTLEG ILLEGAL Location: I'm faced with so many changes that I just might change my face Posts: 32,800	yep. the bolly choir at the beginning followed by dry as fuck vocals with no emotion all of the parts of the song are good. lyrics aren't even bad. music is p good. but put it all together and it verges on pile of shit

03-10-2012, 01:30 AM	#9
ghost-mutt Demi-God Posts: 361	cool story it's not exactly a secret that this song was sort of a tribute to aic and to bc's generation in general. i actually like this song too.

03-10-2012, 04:26 AM	#10
houseofglass11 Minion of Satan Location: sleuthing around like a worm Posts: 5,690	There was an interview around the time of Zeitgeist where he talked about this song. He said that AIC was a band that he sort of overlooked at the time they were around and that in hindsight they were one of the best bands of the grunge era and that they had a lot of depth to their sound musically and lyrically. He said it was a sort of tribute to them and to Layne. There's nothing tasteless about it.

03-10-2012, 04:58 AM	#11
Trotskilicious Banned Location: I believe in the transcendental qualities of friendship. Posts: 39,439	yeah i feel that. I hated them at the time but compared to bands i liked in hindsight, they were a step ahead i still don't really want to listen to the lamentations of a heroin junkie

03-10-2012, 06:59 AM	#12
Starla ***** Posts: 15,731	Has Layne responded to this from the afterlife?

03-10-2012, 08:48 AM	#13
ghost-mutt Demi-God Posts: 361	aic are awesome btw

03-10-2012, 11:04 AM	#14
aztec litany service Apocalyptic Poster Location: cedar park, tx Posts: 1,535	yeah my only prob w/ aic is they didn't do more stuff zg will always suck tho

03-10-2012, 11:53 AM	#15
teh b0lly!!1 Braindead Location: PROWLING THE BADLANDS Posts: 17,399	man Rooster is one of the most wicked rock songs of the 90s

03-10-2012, 12:00 PM	#16
Cool As Ice Cream Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle? Posts: 32,743	and tarantula was a scorpions song, right?

03-10-2012, 12:36 PM	#17
redbreegull Just Hook it to My Veins! Location: N3t4Euh Haus Posts: 32,753	b0lly also said once that this song is about how the bands of the 90s failed because they had the chance to change the model through which music is made and didn't

03-10-2012, 03:39 PM	#18
Reyngel Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,682	Like most of Zeitgeist, good music, awful vocals. If he'd just give up the terrible vibrato he tries to instill into every held note, his vocals would sound so much better.

03-10-2012, 05:38 PM	#19
vbshlofbvgos Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,613	wow i hadn't listened to anything from zeitgeist in ages. it actually sounds worse than i remembered. perhaps it was well liked at the time because it was one of the least offensive songs on the album? anyway like everybody said the music itself isn't bad its just... everything else.

03-10-2012, 06:26 PM	#21
teh b0lly!!1 Braindead Location: PROWLING THE BADLANDS Posts: 17,399	It's like hearing cats fucking outside only with a lot of reverb

03-11-2012, 12:12 AM	#22
great poster Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,614	did you really just link me to a smashing pumpkins/kingdom hearts mashup? fuck you

03-11-2012, 11:34 PM	#23
TheGirl Pledge Posts: 88	Nice. That's the only song on Z. that I really enjoyed.