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02-27-2014, 10:05 PM | #31 |
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02-27-2014, 10:05 PM | #32 | |
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The mitigating factor here is that the US has ostensibly been surprisingly adept at taking apart the top levels of leadership of prominent terror cells. Doesn't decrease how many wannabes will blow up cafes in Baghdad, but it decreases the likelihood of big Islamist attacks in western countries because that shit takes a lot of planning and well-educated, skilled people. |
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02-27-2014, 10:13 PM | #33 |
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but they bombed us first
no but i agree, unless it's terrorist networks we're having to ******* with that. al queada in particular become so diluted as a name it doesn't really mean anything |
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02-27-2014, 10:16 PM | #34 |
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btw i understand there are other "terrorists" out there other than those with brown skin in the desert
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02-27-2014, 10:21 PM | #35 |
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like theres the other side of the coin like tim mcveigh who wasn't really repressed or anything he just wanted to kill a bunch of people because
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02-27-2014, 10:21 PM | #36 |
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it just gets frustrating because you get the media automatically calling any type of violent attack terrorism. a guy shooting up a school with no endgame in mind because he is mentally sick is not an act of terrorism
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02-27-2014, 10:22 PM | #37 |
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02-27-2014, 10:26 PM | #38 |
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he was raised Catholic so I'm calling shenanigans on no repression
but in seriousness, I don't actually know that much about his motives but perusing a few articles reveals he cites revenge for Waco (I already knew this) and US attacks on foreign countries as his justification. In the strictest sense of the word, I'm not sure an act of revenge is really terrorism unless there is a strategic goal defined. |
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02-27-2014, 10:28 PM | #39 |
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I mean I guess his acts have an implicit goal in how he wanted the Feds to react and how he wanted people to view the Federal government, but its definitely a lot more loosey goosey than bin Laden, who told us exactly what he wanted.
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02-27-2014, 10:29 PM | #40 | |
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yeah.. and that's why i'd inch that above "organized crime" in atrocities .. lot of time its just zealotry not just drones. though US imperialism is a huge role i know. but that doesn't abrogate that there's people with the mindset innocents should die because of some dumb thing (edit: well waco was an atrocity, it wasn't dumb. but i'm decrying 'eye for an eye' here speaking of.. i can't believe youtube doesn't have any of the early 2000 "if you do drugs you're a terrorist" PSAs. that was the best thing to come out of the bush admin |
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02-27-2014, 10:32 PM | #41 |
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they're both pretty cool.
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02-27-2014, 10:32 PM | #42 | |
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I mean, is there not a clear difference here? Also your gang against gang example would be more comparable to state attacking state which would be just aggressive war? |
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02-27-2014, 10:40 PM | #43 |
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i remember watching the Pirate Bowl in a bar in san antonio when one of those came on, the booing was deafening.
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02-27-2014, 10:54 PM | #44 | |
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It might seem small to you compared to get your fucking troops out of my country, but shooting a dude up to get his bros to stop selling on your corner is still a political goal. It involves power and money. |
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02-27-2014, 11:04 PM | #45 |
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Oh okay we've fallen into that black hole of trying to define terrorism. You have a degree in Political Science, right? Surely you've studied the difference between terrorism x guerilla warfare x freedom fighters etc. Also how by definition States can't use terrorism. I was focusing on these differences I suppose.
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02-27-2014, 11:05 PM | #46 |
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Your idea of the concept of politics is more broad and all-encompassing than what bignothing and I had in mind.
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02-27-2014, 11:19 PM | #47 | |
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well tbh I still don't know how you are defining your terms, you have been incredibly vague and opaque in what you mean by "terrorism" and "organized crime" |
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02-27-2014, 11:24 PM | #48 | |
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so I am totally lost |
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02-27-2014, 11:26 PM | #49 |
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Organized crime is motivated by finance. They use fear and intimidation to achieve their goal which is financial. Terrorists groups are motivated by political upheaval. They use fear and intimidation to achieve their goal of political change.
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02-27-2014, 11:32 PM | #50 |
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you fail to recognize the very, very extreme economic factors underneath the surface of why terrorists want political upheaval. This is 2014, can't we recognize that economics is pretty much at the bottom of everything?
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02-27-2014, 11:41 PM | #51 |
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The terrorism going on right now in Africa is motivated by religion.
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02-27-2014, 11:42 PM | #52 |
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honestly I am tired tonight and don't want to debate this anymore until tomorrow (although we should all pat ourselves on the back for having a debate without cursing at each other or being terrible), but I do think that most terrorism, like most political violence in general (by this I just mean violence which seeks to change power structures) has a big old root in money.
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02-27-2014, 11:46 PM | #53 | |
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I am going to assume you are talking about Nigeria and surrounding areas? That's what's been in the news I guess recently. I would argue (and so would some IR guys), that just because what you see on the surface is Islam vs. Christianity, that does not mean religion is the root cause. Religion and ethnicity are often the fault lines along which populations split in times of extreme economic turmoil. |
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02-28-2014, 12:00 AM | #54 |
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a confederacy of dunces
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02-28-2014, 12:12 AM | #55 |
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redbreegull is a scrawny ol' windbag.
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02-28-2014, 01:07 AM | #56 |
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I'm working on beefing up
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02-28-2014, 01:18 AM | #57 |
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oh great. he is sleep-posting again.
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02-28-2014, 02:27 AM | #58 |
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03-01-2014, 08:03 PM | #59 |
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What if I told you all that capitalism is organized crime?
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