Best song Bill has written since 2000? - Page 2

geek_xyu · 03-16-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Slurpee

Doesn't count since the riff is from Metro Silverfuck.

That's kinda bullshit. How do you know any or all of the other songs aren't riffs that Billy has just been sitting on since the 90s. Just because there aren't recordings of them doesn't mean they didn't exist in some form. Just how he keeps note cards with lyric ideas as well.

paranoid · 03-16-2010, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slurpee

Doesn't count since the riff is from Metro Silverfuck.

which was written in 2000.. and this thread is 'written since 2000.'

just sayin'

Phoenix Down · 03-16-2010, 12:28 PM

Lost in the Woods

Glorious

To Wonder, To Suffer

Gossamer

Slurpee · 03-16-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by geek_xyu

That's kinda bullshit. How do you know any or all of the other songs aren't riffs that Billy has just been sitting on since the 90s. Just because there aren't recordings of them doesn't mean they didn't exist in some form. Just how he keeps note cards with lyric ideas as well.

Well I don't know about them all, but I sure as fuck know about this one, and it's from 2000.

Slurpee · 03-16-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by paranoid

which was written in 2000.. and this thread is 'written since 2000.'

just sayin'

When you look at the definition of "since" as a conjunction, I don't think it includes its object in the time frame. But it's unclear. I.e. "Billy was great in 2000, but what has he done since then?"

paranoid · 03-16-2010, 12:49 PM

yes yes the thread title needs more clarification.

Astur · 03-16-2010, 01:34 PM

Chrysanthemum, Of A Broken Heart, Mary Star of the Sea, Walking Shade, Lost in the Woods, As Rome Burns...

CrabbMan · 03-16-2010, 03:05 PM

The Rose March

Funky_Gibbon · 03-16-2010, 03:38 PM

Riverview as played on during the BBC session closely followed by El-A-Noy.

TBH he was on form with a lot of Djali Zwan songs. Just a shame we'll never hear them again.

Funky_Gibbon · 03-16-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by flspnut

99 Floors.....and still nowhere to go.

I find myself humming this as I walk around my local shopping mall and wonder where all the good stores went.

Nothing/everything · 03-16-2010, 03:49 PM

Cast a stone

vanitycrieswhy · 03-16-2010, 04:01 PM

The Empty Sea (just about SP1 quality, in my opinion) and A New Poetry are fighting for the top spot for me.

Mary Star of the Sea for best rocker

And who can listen to My Life and Times without smiling

Astur · 03-16-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cardiac

Wasting Time, Glorious and The Empty Sea are all peak SP1 quality for me. Chrysanthemum was solid too. From the songs he's actually released, I'd go with Freedom Ain't What It Used to Be and maybe Bleeding the Orchid.

I forgot about that one. That song retains that kind of intimate magic his acoustic pieces used to have, in the vein of Medellia, Soothe, Purr Snickety... warm, lonely, beautiful sound.

Kahlo · 03-16-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky_Gibbon

I find myself humming this as I walk around my local shopping mall and wonder where all the good stores went.

Are you from Kilmarnock? I think we have met.

DaveKShape · 03-16-2010, 05:55 PM

the world's fair

slunken · 03-16-2010, 06:05 PM

Prairie Song.

reprise85 · 03-16-2010, 06:40 PM

Riverview, Desire, MSOTS, Gossamer, A100

Deric · 03-16-2010, 06:45 PM

The songs he wrote after Zeitgeist were really good I believe (No Surrender, If All Goes Wrong, Peace + Love, etc...). TBK is really the wrost thing Billy done in his career.

sammy khalifa · 03-16-2010, 06:59 PM

Friends as Lovers

Deric · 03-16-2010, 07:02 PM

I don'y know Friends as Lovers, is there someone who have a link please ?

Rider · 03-16-2010, 08:32 PM

I'd have to dig through the old Zwan stuff but as others have said Empty Sea and New poetry are up there. Nothing after Zwan though, there have been brief glimmers of hope but nothing coming close to that stuff.

Reyngel · 03-16-2010, 10:03 PM

I still can't fathom how any of you think that Chrysanthemum is something good. It's one of the worst song's he's ever fucking written. The lyrics are atrocious, and it sounds like some terrible cross between immature skater rock and shallow garbage. And I don't mean Garbage, but like, trash. If he released that song for Teargarden, you'd all be tearing him apart for it. The only reason anyone ever clapped for it back in 2001 was because it was Billy on stage for the first time after the Pumpkins broke up.

That aside,

I'd say some of his best song-writing since 2000 is:

-Mary Star of the Sea(without the Jesus, I half)

-Now and Then

-Walking Shade

-Tilt

-TheCameraEye

-7 Shades of Black(some of the best, most creative lyrics he's ever written)

-Pomp + Circumstances(for its lyrics, mostly)

untitledpage · 03-17-2010, 04:29 AM

From what I've heard...Stellar.

sniffingchimp · 03-17-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveKShape

the world's fair

Yes, yes, yes. Beautiful song.

Pizza Club · 03-17-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kahlo

Are you from Kilmarnock? I think we have met.

I'm from North Kilttown

DaveKShape · 03-17-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reyngel

I still can't fathom how any of you think that Chrysanthemum is something good. It's one of the worst song's he's ever fucking written. The lyrics are atrocious, and it sounds like some terrible cross between immature skater rock and shallow garbage. And I don't mean Garbage, but like, trash. If he released that song for Teargarden, you'd all be tearing him apart for it. The only reason anyone ever clapped for it back in 2001 was because it was Billy on stage for the first time after the Pumpkins broke up.

i will agree that the fanboys/girls were super into that song in the initial glass house video because yes, it was their rock hero returning again.

that said - i think chrysanthemum is a really exciting song to listen to. it seems like billy was actually into it for once in the past 10 years. i feel like this, along with stuff like a new poetry and other early zwan, would have been a great sound for billy to build the pumpkins "rebirth" on, instead of fake-me-out goth metal or whatever the fuck zeitgeist was.

million_watts · 03-17-2010, 12:25 PM

of a broken heart or empty sea

russian iha · 04:58 PM

Permanence
Never Give Up
Tilt
Glorious
A100
Mina Loy
Bit 5
No Surrender
Cast a Stone
Lost in the Woods
Peace + Love
The Empty Sea
My Life + Times

If those songs were recorded and produced properly, it could be an album like Gish 2 or something like that.

srt4b · 03-17-2010, 03:32 PM

I like:

Endless Summer (Piano)
Death from above (Residencies)

srt4b · 03-17-2010, 03:33 PM

Someone should make one of those polls where you drag the songs you like to the top that we can all vote on. I think we had one for the epic Zeitgeist 15 week poll.

03-17-2010, 02:08 PM	#58
russian iha Apocalyptic Poster Location: Russian Federation Posts: 1,010	Permanence Never Give Up Tilt Glorious A100 Mina Loy Bit 5 No Surrender Cast a Stone Lost in the Woods Peace + Love The Empty Sea My Life + Times If those songs were recorded and produced properly, it could be an album like Gish 2 or something like that. Last edited by russian iha : 03-17-2010 at 04:58 PM.

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Reyngel Apocalyptic Poster Location: Seattle Posts: 3,682	I still can't fathom how any of you think that Chrysanthemum is something good. It's one of the worst song's he's ever fucking written. The lyrics are atrocious, and it sounds like some terrible cross between immature skater rock and shallow garbage. And I don't mean Garbage, but like, trash. If he released that song for Teargarden, you'd all be tearing him apart for it. The only reason anyone ever clapped for it back in 2001 was because it was Billy on stage for the first time after the Pumpkins broke up. That aside, I'd say some of his best song-writing since 2000 is: -Mary Star of the Sea(without the Jesus, I half) -Now and Then -Walking Shade -Tilt -TheCameraEye -7 Shades of Black(some of the best, most creative lyrics he's ever written) -Pomp + Circumstances(for its lyrics, mostly)

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