Netphoria Message Board


Go Back   Netphoria Message Board > Archives > Pumpkins Archive
Register Netphoria's Amazon.com Link Members List Photo Album Mark Forums Read

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-14-2012, 09:17 AM   #1381
Araneae
Apocalyptic Poster
 
Posts: 1,887
Default

Have you read those reviews? Most of those reviews are coming from people who don't think that Billy has been able to write a good song since Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie. Oceania sounds like a miracle to them.

 
Araneae is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 10:53 AM   #1382
subzero
Demi-God
 
subzero's Avatar
 
Posts: 290
Default

ghost children

 
subzero is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 11:31 AM   #1383
RenewRevive
Apocalyptic Poster
 
RenewRevive's Avatar
 
Location: Welcome to the real world jackass
Posts: 4,945
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Morlock View Post
With Oceania I quickly felt that there was nothing left to discover. Everything is so in your face, and at the same time to worn out and flat. There is very little inspiration in that album, no magic at all. It might work better than Zeitgeist as an album, but Zeitgeist has better individual tracks (for me: Bleeding the Orchid, Bring the Light, For God and Country, Ma Belle).
Ma Belle is a good song, the other 3 are garbage. What exactly is one supposed to discover with repeated listens of BTL?

To be fair, Orchid and God and Country could be decent if they were re-recorded.

Last edited by RenewRevive : 07-14-2012 at 11:32 AM. Reason: clarification

 
RenewRevive is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 12:41 PM   #1384
D.
Consume my pants.
 
D.'s Avatar
 
Location: Missouri
Posts: 36,065
Default

I usually don't listen to SP live before they record the songs. Even back in 99 when someone wanted to sell me a cassette of the first show with Jimmy back a.d "a bunch of new songs", I was happy just wait for the album.

That being said, I did listen to that Paris show when Bill or the band played pre-Z stuff and the god and country they played (acoustic) was miles, MILES better than the Z version. So much so that, even though I bought Z, I ended up burning it with that version instead.

2007 called and asked for my opinion again.

 
D. is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 12:41 PM   #1385
Morlock
Demi-God
 
Location: Germany
Posts: 476
Default

BTL's drumming is sublime and full of detail. It is also one of the few songs in which the "Billy choir" works very well. The guitars, especially the Queen-esque solo, have great texture.

BTL is better than any song on Oceania.

 
Morlock is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 10:01 PM   #1386
rudi
Pledge
 
rudi's Avatar
 
Posts: 229
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Morlock View Post

BTL is better than any song on Oceania.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Oh wait you were serious

 
rudi is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 10:49 PM   #1387
Cowlishaw
Pledge
 
Cowlishaw's Avatar
 
Posts: 221
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Morlock View Post
BTL's drumming is sublime and full of detail. It is also one of the few songs in which the "Billy choir" works very well. The guitars, especially the Queen-esque solo, have great texture.

BTL is better than any song on Oceania.
DOH LET THEM STEAL FROM YOU WHAT'S YOURS BY RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!

 
Cowlishaw is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 10:54 PM   #1388
redbreegull
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
redbreegull's Avatar
 
Location: WILD BOY
Posts: 30,946
Default

apparently Morlock also likes Doomsday Clock, hands down one of the worst songs Corgan has ever written. I can get not thinking Oceania is hot shit, but I cannot get preferring Zeitgeist. Oceania is on the mediocre side, but Zeitgeist is a fucking trainwreck. It's like an album of b0lly trying to replicate all his most popular sounds and then squishing it all together into this big, bloated, uncomfortable album covered in awful vocals and metallic production. It does have some shining moments... Tarantula, US, Bring the Light, Z the song, and bits and pieces from other songs, but overall the whole era was such a sonic failure that it's just tarnished for me.

Basically every song on Oceania is better than Zeitgeist except for Wildflower and the Chimera, which are in teargarden territory.

 
redbreegull is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 10:57 PM   #1389
redbreegull
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
redbreegull's Avatar
 
Location: WILD BOY
Posts: 30,946
Default

I do think Bring the Light is a great song though, in terms of instrumentation. The lyrics derail its epicness, but it has a face-melting solo, and is kind of a departure from the standard way Corgan works the guitar in a song. Also it's kind of cool because it has an end part that gets dreamy and that doesn't really happen anywhere else on Zeitgeist

 
redbreegull is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 11:41 PM   #1390
dustrock
debunked!
 
dustrock's Avatar
 
Location: Part-alien, part-human, part-robot, part-star-crossed lover and part-mercury filled
Posts: 2,072
Default

I like most of Oceania.

I still am surprised that Bill could write something this good. All signs were pointing to hell no

 
dustrock is offline
Old 07-14-2012, 11:50 PM   #1391
subzero
Demi-God
 
subzero's Avatar
 
Posts: 290
Default

he said in an alex jones interview that zeitgeist was inspired by things he read on the internet.

 
subzero is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 12:04 AM   #1392
Order 66
Socialphobic
 
Order 66's Avatar
 
Posts: 11,885
Default

billy fried his brain on the internet

 
Order 66 is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 12:44 AM   #1393
Morlock
Demi-God
 
Location: Germany
Posts: 476
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by redbreegull View Post
apparently Morlock also likes Doomsday Clock
???
Certainly you are an idiot.

 
Morlock is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 12:56 AM   #1394
Morlock
Demi-God
 
Location: Germany
Posts: 476
Default

I don't even disagree that much with redbreegull. I just think that the Zeitgeist tracks that work are better than anything on Oceania.

 
Morlock is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 12:58 AM   #1395
redbreegull
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
redbreegull's Avatar
 
Location: WILD BOY
Posts: 30,946
Default

my bad, that was cropumpkins. Figures, he has the wrong opinions on everything

 
redbreegull is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 01:11 AM   #1396
BurtSampson
Apocalyptic Poster
 
BurtSampson's Avatar
 
Location: Billy's Buttcrack
Posts: 1,414
Default

I still can't decide if I like Zeitgeist or Oceania more. I honestly think Zeitgeist is better because even though it's a frustrating listen, the awesome moments that shine through are quite good, whereas Oceania is so middle of the road and dull that I never feel myself compelled to listen to anything off of it. There's no real hooks, there's no sense of dynamics really, it's just all really dull.

 
BurtSampson is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 01:28 AM   #1397
Venom
Ownz
 
Venom's Avatar
 
Location: United States
Posts: 860
Default

Those "awesome moments" on Zeitgeist are easily ruined by how horrible the album sounds.

 
Venom is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 01:31 AM   #1398
slunken
Virgo
 
slunken's Avatar
 
Posts: 39,274
Default

most zeitgeist hate is just bandwagoning

 
slunken is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 05:48 PM   #1399
RenewRevive
Apocalyptic Poster
 
RenewRevive's Avatar
 
Location: Welcome to the real world jackass
Posts: 4,945
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by redbreegull View Post
I do think Bring the Light is a great song though, in terms of instrumentation. The lyrics derail its epicness, but it has a face-melting solo, and is kind of a departure from the standard way Corgan works the guitar in a song. Also it's kind of cool because it has an end part that gets dreamy and that doesn't really happen anywhere else on Zeitgeist
the music is okay, but the lyrics are just awful. i don't even like the solo that much - it sounds like brian may.

 
RenewRevive is offline
Old 07-15-2012, 07:28 PM   #1400
Cowlishaw
Pledge
 
Cowlishaw's Avatar
 
Posts: 221
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slug View Post
BTL BTL BTL let's BTL
L BTL BTL let's BTL
L BTL BTL let's BTL
L BTL BTL let's BTL L

still better than feelalo
I'd go with Feelalo. I love the "For I love what I sung" part, as it's probably the closest Billy's ever gotten to sounding like SP1 again.

The rest of the song is garbage though.

 
Cowlishaw is offline
Old 07-16-2012, 12:06 PM   #1401
BurtSampson
Apocalyptic Poster
 
BurtSampson's Avatar
 
Location: Billy's Buttcrack
Posts: 1,414
Default

I will never not refer to it as Feelalo now

 
BurtSampson is offline
Old 07-16-2012, 02:14 PM   #1402
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 31,003
Default

what's feelalo?

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 07-16-2012, 02:57 PM   #1403
teh b0lly!!1
Braindead
 
teh b0lly!!1's Avatar
 
Location: PROWLING THE BADLANDS
Posts: 16,094
Default

i think it's that arab nba player

 
teh b0lly!!1 is offline
Old 07-16-2012, 07:16 PM   #1404
brendo_91
Minion of Satan
 
brendo_91's Avatar
 
Location: ██████████
Posts: 6,480
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream View Post
what's feelalo?
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
COME ON AND FEELALO
FEELALO


 
brendo_91 is offline
Old 07-16-2012, 07:22 PM   #1405
Caine Walker
Braindead
 
Caine Walker's Avatar
 
Posts: 15,481
Default

bahahah

 
Caine Walker is offline
Old 07-16-2012, 11:55 PM   #1406
stumpycat
Apocalyptic Poster
 
stumpycat's Avatar
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 3,074
Default

I wondered what Feelalo was myself but was too afraid of looking stupid to even ask. Now it all makes sense.

I really enjoy the meaty riffs and it totally sounds like it could be a Zero EP song - except for the dire lyrics! However, now that I hear nothing BUT "feelalo" when he sings it is actually rather an improvement over "feel our love". Thank you for helping me forget the real lyrics so I may enjoy it even more fully. Now can you please do something about "I lick the polished chrome" as I don't care to be reminded of a the car commercial, either.

Last edited by stumpycat : 07-17-2012 at 12:04 AM.

 
stumpycat is offline
Old 07-17-2012, 12:34 AM   #1407
slunken
Virgo
 
slunken's Avatar
 
Posts: 39,274
Default

There's magic everywhere!

 
slunken is offline
Old 07-17-2012, 03:04 AM   #1408
BurtSampson
Apocalyptic Poster
 
BurtSampson's Avatar
 
Location: Billy's Buttcrack
Posts: 1,414
Default

remember that piece of shit G.L.O.W.? I swear to god I could've farted a better bassline. after all the potential that the 10 second Zoom clip in the Pastichio Medley and we get THAT?

2008 Billy was all about feelings. Feeling the G.L.O.W., feeling Alo, probably feeling up Chris Isaak

 
BurtSampson is offline
Old 07-18-2012, 06:12 AM   #1409
1337
Gives no fucks
 
1337's Avatar
 
Posts: 198
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bozo View Post
WoW

Trots you deleted your post count like 3 days ago to prove some point and you already have damn near 500 posts!!

Point proven dude, point proven.

I've been here damn near 10 years and I barely have half that many...

BTW, how many of your new post total contain the words "I AM SPECIAL, K?"?

I guarantee it is more times than you have listened to the actual song.

Someone get this guy an Instrumental copy of Oceania, Trots is clearly too cool for these lyrics.
spot on.

you can thank me for his (her?) post deletion; I called them out on having damn near 100,000 posts and then...POOF, all gone.

Now it's just 450 or so posts with the "I am Special K" lyrical variation. Guy's a fucking tool, plain and simple. Has his Netphorian minions flooding up my inbox with homophobic, queerbait rep remarks

typical Netphorian egomaniac. No wonder this place is laughed at in internet circles the world over

 
1337 is offline
Old 07-18-2012, 06:30 AM   #1410
Shallowed
Braindead
 
Shallowed's Avatar
 
Location: A compostable condom made from 100% recycled materials
Posts: 17,093
Default

Superchrist
G.L.O.W.
FOL
All of the Teargarden tracks

Billy wanted them all to be individual gems, but they're all just painful nuggets of shit that you'd just prefer to forget about once they're released.

 
Shallowed is offline
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is On
Google


Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Different Track listing for Oceania atombomb Pumpkins Archive 13 06-13-2012 07:28 AM
So maybe Oceania leaked Forgotten Child Pumpkins Archive 139 06-11-2012 08:45 PM
who's listening to monte talk on the phone with billy? slunken Pumpkins Archive 77 05-27-2012 12:14 AM
Will Oceania be better than Chinese Democracy? morespsoon Pumpkins Archive 119 02-27-2012 09:45 PM
Oceania predictions ??? Pumpkins Archive 132 10-05-2011 11:55 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:40 PM.




Smashing Pumpkins, Alternative Music
& General Discussion Message Board and Forums
www.netphoria.org - Copyright © 1998-2019