ULTIMATE POLL: MELLON COLLIE VS. INFINITE SADNESS

[FoolofaTook]

This is it folks, Dawn to Dusk against Twilight to Starlight. We all know MCIS is the zenith of TSP, but which of its two disks is superior?

[FoolofaTook]

Imma go with the latter. First you have two epics (Ruby, XYU). Then there are the singles (33 and 1979) which are the very essence of the dark, sweet atmosphere of MCIS. Furthermore, the two openers (WBFTT-Bodies) are the best in the entire canon. And finally, that chill closing sequence is so romantic and contains what just might be their best (certainly one of their most emotional and heart-rending) songs: By Starlight).

On top of all this, there are those little gems that sparkle like the silmarils of Feanor: In the Arms of Sleep and Stumbeline. I say Twilight to Starlight! What about you, friends?

[smashingjj]

tea time.

[fluxequalsrad]

Its a tough call. The first half of Dawn to Dusk does not let up, it may be the best "side" of a record they ever did. Porcelina has a slight edge on Ruby for me, but its very close. My pick probably changes day to day.

[Cool As Ice Cream]

SIPS OF TEA

[johncg]

Originally Posted by FoolofaTook

Imma go with the latter. First you have two epics (Ruby, XYU). Then there are the singles (33 and 1979) which are the very essence of the dark, sweet atmosphere of MCIS. Furthermore, the two openers (WBFTT-Bodies) are the best in the entire canon. And finally, that chill closing sequence is so romantic and contains what just might be their best (certainly one of their most emotional and heart-rending) songs: By Starlight).

On top of all this, there are those little gems that sparkle like the silmarils of Feanor: In the Arms of Sleep and Stumbeline. I say Twilight to Starlight! What about you, friends?

cannon*

[FoolofaTook]

lol true

[johncg]

Twilight to Starlight is the clear winner here. It's a close call in the sense that both discs are evenly packed with great songs delivered beautifully. But there is ultimately something about the breadth, depth and overall mood of Twilight to Starlight that I find positively enchanting. "Stumbleine," a solo acoustic demo tucked between the epic "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" and the tidal wave crush of "X.Y.U.," is the ultimate example of this.

There are just more emotional highs and lows on Twilight to Starlight, and it comes across a little darker and edgier as a whole. In short, I highly recommend Twilight to Starlight. It is a great listen for fans old and new alike.

[eviltimeban]

Dawn to Dusk for me. Not only does it have better songs, but it stands alone as an album. If MCIS had just been a single album, and it was that, I would've been happy. It begins great, flows nicely through rock and more mellow moments, and comes to a massive conclusion with Galapagos / Muzzle / Porcelina.

TTS is more adventurous for sure, but it has a few let downs like Scorched Earth, XYU (which I've never liked), and stuff like Lily, which shows that if disc 2 had just been the album it definitely would've been a let down. Sure, I'd be missing Ruby, 33, 1979, Bodies etc, but I still think the quality of disc 1 overcomes that.

[johncg]

Oh man that post has me thinking about an ultimate single disc MCIS tracklist (album tracks only.)

[ilikeplanets]

I'm not picking a favorite twin.

[ilikeplanets]

They both have 7 songs I find essential, and 1 I cannot bear. FUCK

[ilikeplanets]

So it comes down to

Tonight Tonight
Jellybelly
Here Is No Why
To Forgive
Cupid de Locke
Muzzle
Porcelina
and the awful Take Me Down

vs

Where Boys Fear To Tread
Bodies
1979
Ruby
XYU
Beautiful
By Starlight
and the awful Lily

[johncg]

The ultimate single disc tour de force:

Tonight, Tonight
Zero
Bullet
Fuck You (An Ode to Monte)
Galapogos
Muzzle
Porcelina
Where Boys Fear to Tread/Bodies
Thirty-three
In the Arms of Sleep
1979
Thru the Eyes of Ruby
Stumbleine
XYU

[FoolofaTook]

no by starlight???


DUDE

[FoolofaTook]

i like what john said about the mood and darkness of twilight 2 starlight. that's what does it for me.
but yes, the first disc is really hard to put in second place. there's that unholy triad of cyber-metal visceralitude (jellybelly, zero, hinw) and then the incredible finish (galapogos, muzzle, porcelina) that are hard to dismiss. not to mention fuck you and love back to back! madre de dios.

hard to choose, no doubt. in hindsight, i should of in-cluded an "impossible to pick" option.

[johncg]

I totally forgot by starlight. Shit.

[johncg]

I’m still confused exactly what is meant by the cyber metal label. Can someon please explain? I know Iha described Zero as cyber Sabbath or whatever but I just don’t hear the cyberness

[NovaFritz]

Basically, it is Zero

[NovaFritz]

you know, we only come out at night sucks pretty bad, but --> Adore

[johncg]

What are the defining characteristics of cyber metal smart asssss

[FoolofaTook]

listen to the jellybelly intro and all shall be made clear thereuntofore

[johncg]

So...in other words...you don’t know.

[johncg]

The bald lord judgeths.

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[FoolofaTook]

Originally Posted by johncg

So...in other words...you don’t know.

knowing is its own answer

[Mals Marola]

where's the tie option in this devilish pole

[Mals Marola]

i appreciate Twilight for the extremities it takes in a mere matter of tracks, not to mention it has some of their best-ever songs with stuff like Bodies, 33, 1979 & By Starlight. Dawn to Dusk may be the single-most solid record they ever put out tho, including Siamese Dream. so i suppose it's a battle between extremities & solitude (?) and frankly i think they even each other out

[Mals Marola]

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[FoolofaTook]

so if someone put a gun to your head and say pick one, which would you go with?

[Mals Marola]

prob Twilite, for the xtremes