writing a decent metal track is pretty challenging.

??? · 06-13-2007, 12:56 PM

i'm making my first extensive foray into the heady realms of black/speed/death/filth sorta stuff and i'm finding it really interesting learning all the atonal, dissonant scales and things. can anyone recommend some web sites explaining metal scales and structures and stuff? i find it easy enough writing individual riffs and chord progressions and whatnot, but finding just the right notes i want for quick licks and solos usually gets the better of me. what do you think, do you find it easy writing heavy? more importantly, do you think there's much originality left in metal, generally speaking? is there much that hasn't been done with it yet?

Luke de Spa · 06-13-2007, 12:58 PM

google "locrian mode"

??? · 06-13-2007, 01:01 PM

is that what it's called. (never learned much theory) thanks friend.

Nidhogg · 06-13-2007, 04:22 PM

I've been in a black metal band before.

It was hard.

smashingjj · 06-13-2007, 06:40 PM

apple · 06-13-2007, 06:53 PM

i thoroughly expected this thread to get so few replies, seeing as most of you are too PUSSY for metal

smashingjj · 06-13-2007, 06:56 PM

Now HOLD ON young lady. THAT"S JUST BULLSHIT RIGHT THERE! YOU CALL ME PUSSY? I LISTEN TO THE SCORPIONS. THAT'S RIGHT THE SCORPIONS! DARE TO CALL ME PUSSY STILL?

smashingjj · 06-13-2007, 06:57 PM

OR CALL MY PUSSY STILL?

smashingjj · 06-13-2007, 06:57 PM

I INTERVIEWED A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT TODAY

Reading Rainbow · 06-13-2007, 07:00 PM

No pussy would interview a member of parliament. Those guys are animals.

Good Days Last · 06-14-2007, 02:30 AM

I play some metal. And yes it is hard to make it sound good.

It's not hard to just play fast notes.

Scarey · 06-14-2007, 03:29 AM

Burzum....that shit is crack yo!

fluxequalsrad · 06-14-2007, 03:41 AM

step 1: listen to "St. Anger" on repeat.
step 2: kill yourself
step 3: ban.

Boycott Graceland · 06-14-2007, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashingjj

I INTERVIEWED A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT TODAY

write a metal jam about it

then YSI

??? · 06-14-2007, 04:07 AM

right now my track sounds like fugazi and powermad jamming Zero in the batcave

not bad but i'm finding it awkward changing the key from E to G for the chorus

YES THATS RIGHT, A METAL CHORUS

talk show host · 06-14-2007, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ???

right now my track sounds like fugazi and powermad jamming Zero in the batcave

not bad but i'm finding it awkward changing the key from E to G for the chorus

YES THATS RIGHT, A METAL CHORUS

I so wana know what that sounds like

Sonic Johnny · 06-14-2007, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluxequalsrad

step 1: listen to "St. Anger" on repeat.
step 2: kill yourself
step 3: ban.

GTFO you fuckin sufjan fellating indie fag.

dude, i know sweet fuck all about guitar theory, but all i'll say is:

listen to Meshuggah.

talk show host · 06-14-2007, 06:05 AM

From the admittedly very little I've heard, that's sound advice

I'm Hardcore · 06-14-2007, 06:14 AM

Dragonforce are honestly badass

fluxequalsrad · 06-14-2007, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

GTFO you fuckin sufjan fellating indie fag.

dude, i know sweet fuck all about guitar theory, but all i'll say is:

listen to Meshuggah.

Meshuggah is gay. Sufjan is also gay.

DeviousJ · 06-14-2007, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ???

right now my track sounds like fugazi and powermad jamming Zero in the batcave

not bad but i'm finding it awkward changing the key from E to G for the chorus

YES THATS RIGHT, A METAL CHORUS

Em is G major yo. If you're going to G minor you could throw in an Edim (the flat 5th is the minor 3rd of the Gm), or hit an Eb power chord or major chord which won't be as dissonant and might give a more solid sense of a transition. It depends on what the two parts sound like, but it shouldn't be too hard to make it work

Sonic Johnny · 06-14-2007, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ???

realms of black/speed/death/filth sorta stuff

quick heads up: nobody, anywhere, has ever used the word 'filth' as a metal subgenre. people at metal gigs may be inclined to beat you up over details like this. Guy i went to Slayer and Mastodon with got punched in the back of the head for referring to 'diabolus en musica' as 'musica en diabola'. Brutal.

smashingjj · 06-14-2007, 10:49 AM

filth metal is my favourite kind of metal

??? · 06-14-2007, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeviousJ

Em is G major yo. If you're going to G minor you could throw in an Edim (the flat 5th is the minor 3rd of the Gm), or hit an Eb power chord or major chord which won't be as dissonant and might give a more solid sense of a transition. It depends on what the two parts sound like, but it shouldn't be too hard to make it work

thanks for the suggestion

might record and post what i've got so far and get tips based on that- maybe.

DeviousJ · 06-14-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smashingjj

filth metal is my favourite kind of metal

And Dani Filth is the frontman of our times

Rockin' Cherub · 06-14-2007, 02:45 PM

that would be cool if it actually sounded like a metallic fugazi

Nidhogg · 06-14-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Johnny

listen to Meshuggah.

Everyone should follow this advice.

Ol' Couch Ass · 06-14-2007, 09:25 PM

The bass, the rock
The mic, the treble
I like my coffee black
Just like my metal

j u n e · 06-15-2007, 10:35 AM

/\
msi isnt metal.
dethklok ftw.

Rarely · 06-15-2007, 12:05 PM

its not locrian mode but you're not writing real metal so it doesnt matter

06-13-2007, 12:56 PM	#1
??? Minion of Satan Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯ Posts: 8,658	writing a decent metal track is pretty challenging. i'm making my first extensive foray into the heady realms of black/speed/death/filth sorta stuff and i'm finding it really interesting learning all the atonal, dissonant scales and things. can anyone recommend some web sites explaining metal scales and structures and stuff? i find it easy enough writing individual riffs and chord progressions and whatnot, but finding just the right notes i want for quick licks and solos usually gets the better of me. what do you think, do you find it easy writing heavy? more importantly, do you think there's much originality left in metal, generally speaking? is there much that hasn't been done with it yet?

06-13-2007, 12:58 PM	#2
Luke de Spa someone more...punk rock? Location: Ice cream pig out in M1-aud is why i don't play plug in baby the wrong way, like you Posts: 22,182	google "locrian mode"

06-13-2007, 01:01 PM	#3
??? Minion of Satan Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯ Posts: 8,658	is that what it's called. (never learned much theory) thanks friend.

06-13-2007, 04:22 PM	#4
Nidhogg Apocalyptic Poster Location: modulating my God module Posts: 1,104	I've been in a black metal band before. It was hard.

06-13-2007, 06:40 PM	#5
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902

06-13-2007, 06:53 PM	#6
apple Demi-God Posts: 378	i thoroughly expected this thread to get so few replies, seeing as most of you are too PUSSY for metal

06-13-2007, 06:56 PM	#7
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	Now HOLD ON young lady. THAT"S JUST BULLSHIT RIGHT THERE! YOU CALL ME PUSSY? I LISTEN TO THE SCORPIONS. THAT'S RIGHT THE SCORPIONS! DARE TO CALL ME PUSSY STILL?

06-13-2007, 06:57 PM	#8
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	OR CALL MY PUSSY STILL?

06-13-2007, 07:00 PM	#10
Reading Rainbow Oblivious Virgin Location: The proverbial "we" Posts: 45	No pussy would interview a member of parliament. Those guys are animals.

06-14-2007, 02:30 AM	#11
Good Days Last Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 20	I play some metal. And yes it is hard to make it sound good. It's not hard to just play fast notes.

06-14-2007, 03:29 AM	#12
Scarey Amish Rake Fighter Posts: 12	Burzum....that shit is crack yo!

06-14-2007, 03:41 AM	#13
fluxequalsrad Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 4,275	step 1: listen to "St. Anger" on repeat. step 2: kill yourself step 3: ban.

06-14-2007, 04:07 AM	#15
??? Minion of Satan Location: ¯\(º_o)/¯ Posts: 8,658	right now my track sounds like fugazi and powermad jamming Zero in the batcave not bad but i'm finding it awkward changing the key from E to G for the chorus YES THATS RIGHT, A METAL CHORUS

06-14-2007, 06:05 AM	#18
talk show host Apocalyptic Poster Location: I thought using a condom was assumed but like, even if you didn't use one how would putting a vegetable in your pussy cause some sort of infection? Like, you can fucking EAT IT, but you can't put it in your fucking vagina and move it around a little Posts: 2,790	From the admittedly very little I've heard, that's sound advice

06-14-2007, 06:14 AM	#19
I'm Hardcore Banned Location: so 1994 I could die Posts: 15,964	Dragonforce are honestly badass

06-14-2007, 10:49 AM	#23
smashingjj real estate cowboy Location: if Monsanto and Purdue Pharma had a baby Posts: 36,902	filth metal is my favourite kind of metal

06-14-2007, 02:45 PM	#26
Rockin' Cherub Braindead Location: the amazing year 400 million Posts: 18,188	that would be cool if it actually sounded like a metallic fugazi

06-14-2007, 09:25 PM	#28
Ol' Couch Ass Socialphobic Location: The Filthy South Posts: 11,300	The bass, the rock The mic, the treble I like my coffee black Just like my metal

06-15-2007, 10:35 AM	#29
j u n e Apocalyptic Poster Posts: 1,713	/\ msi isnt metal. dethklok ftw.

06-15-2007, 12:05 PM	#30
Rarely Shh Posts: 3,779	its not locrian mode but you're not writing real metal so it doesnt matter