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06-30-2007, 12:10 PM | #31 | |
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07-21-2007, 04:41 AM | #32 | |
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07-21-2007, 07:21 AM | #33 | |
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because there are scans right here, for example: http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=196 http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=197 http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=198 http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=199 |
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07-21-2007, 12:28 PM | #34 |
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the us ones were different from the uk no?
jewel cases vs plastic sleeves. |
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07-21-2007, 12:52 PM | #35 |
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07-21-2007, 01:08 PM | #36 |
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07-21-2007, 01:56 PM | #37 |
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to buying promo cdrs with printed out covers from man who had sold mashed potato cdrs with print out covers. this is a idea thats not smart.
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07-21-2007, 06:00 PM | #38 | |
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07-21-2007, 06:10 PM | #39 |
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in my community my english is considered above average
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07-21-2007, 10:08 PM | #40 |
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thanks alot Cool As Ice Cream
it's exactly what I was looking for... is there a "search" somewhere on spfreaks?....... put me to shame and point it out.... |
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07-22-2007, 12:56 AM | #41 |
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With regards to the number of copies made, I do believe that the number was below 10. This was confirmed by a Virgin employee who made the set and sold it to the person I got it from. The original US set (CDs (CR-01, etc.-->see pictures above) with CD cases, not paper sleeves/inserts) was basically made by Virgin fans to listen to it. This set was the one used to make the US/UK promo CDs that did get distributed. So the original US set is quite rare and an approx. value of $500 could be very realistic.
With that being said, the sad thing is that you probably won't see something like that done again, with watermarking, etc. Looks at the Zeitigest 6 track promos that they made for the listening parties. Each one was made for a specific Reprise Records employee. Most of the new batch of employees I've talked to seem scared shitless of selling the items with potentital legal ramifications. I think they will eventually hit ebay, but probably after the employee has left Reprise and doesn't give a shit. Considering each one is individualized, those will become quite rare for collectors (early guess? $125 minimum). I don't know if the Zeitigest CDs themself are also individually labeled, but I am sure those will be worth something too. Just my 2 cents. Also, if anyone is interested, I believe it is time I re-did the price guide I put on Blamo about 5 years ago. That thing is so outdated it is frustrating when people keep quoting it expecting to get these prices for their items. Some items have increased in value, but most items have actually gone down. As with anything you want, it always boils down to conjecture, which is the price at which someone deems it worth something. Your price/value for a Rocket vinyl 7" boxset (1500 copies) could be $75 and someone else could value it at $125. That doesn't mean it is worth $125, but that is why collecting takes *a lot* of patience. Later, Shawn |
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07-30-2007, 02:46 AM | #42 | |
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07-30-2007, 02:51 AM | #43 | |
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07-30-2007, 03:16 AM | #44 |
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07-30-2007, 04:07 AM | #45 |
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i'm still looking for the US version of the set by the way. if someone has it and might be willing to sell it, please let me know.
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07-30-2007, 11:37 AM | #46 | |
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Long time no see! |
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07-30-2007, 02:38 PM | #47 | |
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http://spfreaks.redwolf.nl/Default.a...TAILS&item=496 I'm only joking, but if you'd asked me I could have taken some better pictures for you... ones that didn't ******* my embarrassing quilt! |
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07-30-2007, 06:00 PM | #48 | |
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Hey Smashing Can you take better scans of this CD (front, back, CD itself) and send along to [email protected]? Would be much appreciated, thanks! Not to mention, anything else you have that's not on there. |
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07-30-2007, 10:50 PM | #49 | |
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07-31-2007, 01:14 AM | #50 | |
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07-31-2007, 10:30 AM | #51 | |
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CD Singles Today (JAP) E.P W/ Obi Strip Untitled (E.U) Stand inside your love (UK) The End Is The Beginning Is The End (sealed) (AUS card sleeve) Siva (AUS card sleeve) I Am One (AUS card sleeve) Ava Adore (UK) Rocket (AUS) Lull E.P (JAP) W/ Obi Strip CD’s (Non Promo) Mellon Collie (JAP) 1st Pressing W/ Obi Strip & Sticker Promo’s Machina CD-R acetate Promo (AUS) Stand Inside Your Love CD promo (UK) Rotten Apples & Judas O x2 blue CD-R acetate promo (UK) Mellon Collie x2 CS promo (UK) Disarm Single 6 Track CS promo (UK) Siamese Dream CS promo (US) Still Becoming Apart CD promo (US) Try, Try, Try, Single 2 Track CD-R in house Promo (UK) Machina Interview CD Promo (UK) Earphoria CD promo (US) 1000 copies Drown CD promo (US) Ava Adore Single 3 Track gold CD-R acetate promo (UK) Crestfallen CD promo (US) To Sheila CD promo (US) Judas O Masterdisk Library Reference CD-R (US) Unique (given by Billy Corgan to a fan) Daphne Descends CD promo (FR) Today 7” promo (Philippines) c. 50 – 75 copies Rhinoceros / Siva 7” promo (UK) c. 100 copies Daughter 7” Flexi W/ reflex magazine (US) c. 1000 copies The End Is The Beginning Is The End Remixes 12” black vinyl promo (GER) Machina II Q101 x2 CD release hand numbered 928/2000 (US) Machina II x4 CD-R acetate internal promo (UK) Machina II E.P 3 CD-R Promo W/ Inlay (US) Summer CS promo (US) Gish CS promo (UK) I Am One 10” test pressing black vinyl (UK) 15 copies Live at the Cabaret Metro CD 10-05-88 given out at the last gig 02-12-02 (US) c. 800 – 1200 copies Today CD promo (US) In Concert 581 BBC Transcription CD 1994 (UK) 5 copies I Am One 7” flexi promo (UK) c. 250 copies Machina CS Promo (JAP) Rotten Apples & Judas O x2 CS Promo (JAP) Intimate and Interactive x2 CD-R acetate promo W/ Cue Sheets (US) 100 Copies Peel Sessions Promo Single (First pressing with clown face CD) (UK) Disarm CD 1 Promo Single (UK) Try, Try, Try Promo Single (UK) Perfect CD 1 Promo Single (UK) Thirty-Three CD 1 Promo Single (UK) James Iha Be Strong Now Promo Single (UK) Bullet With Butterfly Wings Promo Single (UK) Tonight, Tonight CD 1 Promo Single (UK) Machina 2LP W/L Promo (US) 25 Copies Stand Inside Your Love 12” W/L Promo (US) 25 Copies Light Into Dark Test Pressing (US) 3 Copies Machina Advance CD Promo (CAN) Rocket Single 2 Track CS Promo (UK) Siamese Dream special advance CS Promo (US) Pisces Iscariot CS Promo (UK) Pisces Iscariot Sampler CS Promo (UK) The Everlasting Gaze CD-R Promo (Benelux) True Power, True Faith CD Sampler for download catalogue W/ Press Release (US) 1979 Mixes 12” Test Pressing (US) ?2 Copies Adore Blue CD-R promo (UK) Adore Interview CD-R Promo (Made exclusively for Virgin Records Executives) (UK) Gish Gold CD Promo (Gold pressing made exclusively for the band and employees of Caroline) (US) 100 Copies Machina Gold CD-R promo W/ Inlay (US) Bullet With Butterfly Wings Single 2 track CD-R Promo (UK) Adore Gold CD-R Promo W/ Inlay (US) Thirty-Three 3 Track CD Promo (Withdrawn) (UK) Ava Adore Single CS Promo (US) Black Sessions 29/06/93 CD Promo (FR) 2500 Copies L.P’s Gish original Caroline black vinyl (US) Siamese Dream 2LP black vinyl (UK) Pisces Iscariot amber vinyl with bonus 7” hand numbered 281/2000 (sealed) (US) Adore 2LP black vinyl (US) Machina 2LP black vinyl (US) 7” & 12” Singles I Am One 7” Limited Potential (US) 1500 Copies Disarm 7” purple vinyl (UK) c.5000 copies Rocket 7” peach vinyl W/ box (UK) 1500 copies Peel Sessions 12” black vinyl (UK) 1979 12” black vinyl (UK) 3000 copies 1979 mixes 12” black vinyl (UK) 1500 copies Starchildren Delusions of Candor 7” black vinyl (US) 5000 copies Siva 12” black vinyl W/ press release (UK) 5000 copies Box Sets Aeroplane Flies High 5x CD Single box set (US) Siamese Singles box set 4x 7” singles black vinyl (UK) 6000 copies Cassettes Smashing Pumpkins (Demo Tape) (US) 500 copies Pisces Iscariot (US) Adore (UK) Minidiscs Machina (UK) Misc. European Tour Itinerary 1999-2000 Fanclub Letter 1993 I Am One Arising Tour Video Promo (FR) Retail Reel and Tour Dates Video Promo (US) Bullet With Butterfly Wings Music Video Metal Star Prop autographed BWBW CS/CD Proof Artwork MCIS CS/CD Proof Artwork (US) (Unique?) |
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07-31-2007, 01:07 PM | #52 |
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Thanks, Dead.
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07-31-2007, 03:26 PM | #53 | |
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08-25-2007, 04:10 AM | #54 | |
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08-31-2007, 04:02 AM | #55 | |
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- with "US/UK promo CDs that did get distributed", you mean the promo cds that come in plastic sleeves, right? the ones with the london address on the inserts? (=> uk promos, no?) or are there two different US sets: the original set, in cd cases, and a distributed set, different from the original set? if so, how do those "distributed US sets" look like? - you say "virgin fans" created the original sets to listen to it. what exactly does that mean? pumpkins fans who worked for virgin at the time? it sounds like they made these for themselves. was this ok or was this a bit of an illegal action? were they made before or after the vinyls were sent out to everyone with the message to spread these online? i always thought these in-house promos were made to discuss the eventual release of machina II, but that doesn't really make sense in the case they were made after the vinyls were sent out. - anyone knows with what purpose these promo sets got distributed? who received these sets? |
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08-31-2007, 04:36 AM | #56 | |
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USA distributed sets > i've never seen a non-UK set similar to the UK one distributed, so the US didn't get any of these sets besides the 'orginal in-house' version with artwork?! would be my guess USA Virgin set/fans > well, people making a rip/dump to Virgin cdr's to listen to isn't exactly illegal for personal use, kinda ironic to say the least as the label didn't release the shit out of the album, but well, shit happens... now that it's out they want to listen to it, so fix themselves a neat looking version, just like numerous fans around the world have done, or as Q101 did. what I'm curious about though - has anyone got any verified information as to what's the source for these USA and subsequently the UK promo sets? it's clearly vinyl sourced, that's audible, but did Virgin get a set - either themselves, or through Tigershorty of the O-site (didn't he get one?), did Virgin get a rip from Corgan, or did they use another existing rip floating around from the web? i never got around to checking these versions on the UK promos myself. time > these promos were all clearly made after the vinyl set was cut; all promos feature the CR release codes; which wouldn't make any sense as Corgan created Constantinople Records as a private imprint just to release these four (+Metro88 give-away cd CR-05) discs. When you're still debating a possible release of this material not only would the split in an album and three EPs be a little bit strange, why not make a double album out of it (would have fit, on two cdrs), but there would be no CR release codes on there, would there? recieving end > i can imagine some contacts from Virgin execs might have gotten these, but for the rest; internal use only so to draft press releases, play at meetings or whatever, just for reference which would explain why these aren't in super wide circulation as was to be expected when sent out to press, radio et al. |
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08-31-2007, 04:47 AM | #57 | |
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i was considering the option that the vinyls had been around for a while. then they made the promos for an eventual release, and then, when that wasn't going to happen, they sent the vinyls out. this is probably not what happened, but i think i once read something similar, so that's why i'm asking. |
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08-31-2007, 04:50 AM | #58 | |
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08-31-2007, 05:19 AM | #59 |
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right so what we have is:
- EA's slightly fast first rip [also found on some European rare promo cdrs sourced from the band's own 'tour' copies on cdr made by EA] - SPIFC rip - Q101 rip [and the polished/edited Dutch fanclub version thereof] - Tigershorty's O-site rip MP3s - Tigershorty's O-site rip on the Virgin UK/USA promo cdr sets > lossless? [i.e. not sourced from the O-site MP3s?] I knew this, but couldn't find the txt files anywhere... All full sets of MII are vinyl sourced. Only non-vinyl sourced versions of some songs appear on GH/JO. |
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08-31-2007, 06:27 AM | #60 | |
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