Netphoria Message Board


Go Back   Netphoria Message Board > Archives > Pumpkins Archive
Register Netphoria's Amazon.com Link Members List Mark Forums Read

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-30-2007, 12:10 PM   #31
SPfreaks
Amish Rake Fighter
 
SPfreaks's Avatar
 
Location: Den Haag NL
Posts: 18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream
i remember shawn (collectspumpkins) was trying to sell a set a year or a couple of years ago. i contacted him recently, but he no longer had the set. he said my offer was "very fair and generous" though, which makes me believe i offered more than he sold it for.

and i find it hard to believe that there are only 7 or 8 sets made. i bought the first ep on ebay not so long ago. (for about $30. the seller didn't have any other parts of the set.) it would be a bit weird if that was one of the 8 ep's ever made.
You're lucky with the 30 bucks for 1 of them. Actually I was the one buying that set from CollectsPumpkins a few years ago (maybe 2 instead of 3-4, sorry), for the price mentioned. Probably your offered price was higher? And he gave me that info about the around 7 sets, if I remember well. Maybe you can check with him again (I don't see him around anymore) to doublecheck it? Whether it is 7,8 or 15: it's rare as hell anyway.

Last edited by SPfreaks : 06-30-2007 at 12:17 PM.

 
SPfreaks is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 04:41 AM   #32
T&T
Socialphobic
 
T&T's Avatar
 
Location: montreal
Posts: 11,656
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chsllama
You mean these?

http://pics.livejournal.com/tjackson/pic/0018ryfz
http://pics.livejournal.com/tjackson/pic/0018yz1r

better scans, pictures available on request. these were hurried.
would you care to scan better pictures?

 
T&T is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 07:21 AM   #33
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by T&T
would you care to scan better pictures?
do you want to see how the set looks like, or how his set looks like?

because there are scans right here, for example:
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=196
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=197
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=198
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=199

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 12:28 PM   #34
T&T
Socialphobic
 
T&T's Avatar
 
Location: montreal
Posts: 11,656
Default

the us ones were different from the uk no?

jewel cases vs plastic sleeves.

 
T&T is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 12:52 PM   #35
Wasabi
Ownz
 
Wasabi's Avatar
 
Posts: 880
Default

http://www.spfreaks.com/?page=COLLDETAILS&item=354
there's US

 
Wasabi is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 01:08 PM   #36
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

also:
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=351 (this is the one i have)
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=352
http://www.spfreaks.com/Default.aspx...TAILS&item=353

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 01:56 PM   #37
Zwan Are Suck
Pledge
 
Posts: 120
Default

to buying promo cdrs with printed out covers from man who had sold mashed potato cdrs with print out covers. this is a idea thats not smart.

 
Zwan Are Suck is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 06:00 PM   #38
Wasabi
Ownz
 
Wasabi's Avatar
 
Posts: 880
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwan Are Suck
to buying promo cdrs with printed out covers from man who had sold mashed potato cdrs with print out covers. this is a idea thats not smart.
Was that a complete sentence? I'm not following, could you translate this into english please?

 
Wasabi is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 06:10 PM   #39
Zwan Are Suck
Pledge
 
Posts: 120
Default

in my community my english is considered above average

 
Zwan Are Suck is offline
Old 07-21-2007, 10:08 PM   #40
T&T
Socialphobic
 
T&T's Avatar
 
Location: montreal
Posts: 11,656
Default

thanks alot Cool As Ice Cream
it's exactly what I was looking for...


is there a "search" somewhere on spfreaks?.......
put me to shame and point it out....

 
T&T is offline
Old 07-22-2007, 12:56 AM   #41
collectspumpkins
Pledge
 
Location: Chi-town Beyatch
Posts: 117
Default

With regards to the number of copies made, I do believe that the number was below 10. This was confirmed by a Virgin employee who made the set and sold it to the person I got it from. The original US set (CDs (CR-01, etc.-->see pictures above) with CD cases, not paper sleeves/inserts) was basically made by Virgin fans to listen to it. This set was the one used to make the US/UK promo CDs that did get distributed. So the original US set is quite rare and an approx. value of $500 could be very realistic.

With that being said, the sad thing is that you probably won't see something like that done again, with watermarking, etc. Looks at the Zeitigest 6 track promos that they made for the listening parties. Each one was made for a specific Reprise Records employee. Most of the new batch of employees I've talked to seem scared shitless of selling the items with potentital legal ramifications. I think they will eventually hit ebay, but probably after the employee has left Reprise and doesn't give a shit. Considering each one is individualized, those will become quite rare for collectors (early guess? $125 minimum).

I don't know if the Zeitigest CDs themself are also individually labeled, but I am sure those will be worth something too.

Just my 2 cents. Also, if anyone is interested, I believe it is time I re-did the price guide I put on Blamo about 5 years ago. That thing is so outdated it is frustrating when people keep quoting it expecting to get these prices for their items. Some items have increased in value, but most items have actually gone down. As with anything you want, it always boils down to conjecture, which is the price at which someone deems it worth something. Your price/value for a Rocket vinyl 7" boxset (1500 copies) could be $75 and someone else could value it at $125. That doesn't mean it is worth $125, but that is why collecting takes *a lot* of patience.

Later,

Shawn

 
collectspumpkins is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 02:46 AM   #42
Dead
Deaddy is your daddy!
 
Dead's Avatar
 
Location: Veronica Mars played with my Wii.
Posts: 39,173
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slurpee
Does anybody still have that picture of his "wife" asking for more juice? That was high comedy.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19...raineEiben.jpg

 
Dead is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 02:51 AM   #43
Wasabi
Ownz
 
Wasabi's Avatar
 
Posts: 880
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slurpee
picture of his "wife"
how does one have a "wife" versus a wife? Did chsllama get eloped?

 
Wasabi is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 03:16 AM   #44
sans anatomy
Ownz
 
sans anatomy's Avatar
 
Location: sansanatomy.com
Posts: 871
Default

JUICE

:Willie Nelson rips a corpse's arms off

 
sans anatomy is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 04:07 AM   #45
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

i'm still looking for the US version of the set by the way. if someone has it and might be willing to sell it, please let me know.

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 11:37 AM   #46
duovamp
Brazilian Blouselord
 
duovamp's Avatar
 
Location: heavy metal pool party
Posts: 35,781
Talking



Long time no see!

 
duovamp is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 02:38 PM   #47
Smashing Turnip
Ownz
 
Smashing Turnip's Avatar
 
Location: No Depression
Posts: 599
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPfreaks
Hi Cool As Ice Cream, nice to see you again! This genuine US set is even more rare as 15, there are only 7 sets made. Maybe 8. As far as I know now they are vinyl sourced yes. The only copy ever been on sale (private sale, not on eBay or elsewhere) went for 300 US$ from the one owner to the other, about 3-4 years ago. I guess today the price could be double that, if you ever find a set that is. It is more rare as the genuine MII vinyl set, and just as rare as a genuine Mashed Potatoes set. Of course the prices of these last 2 releases are sky high compared to the MII US Virgin in-house promo's... But I meant numberwise! The only thing I can do is to wish you good luck and patience...
On a random note who said you could use my pictures on your website without permisson?

http://spfreaks.redwolf.nl/Default.a...TAILS&item=496

I'm only joking, but if you'd asked me I could have taken some better pictures for you... ones that didn't ******* my embarrassing quilt!

 
Smashing Turnip is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 06:00 PM   #48
Oklahoma Sexual
Apocalyptic Poster
 
Oklahoma Sexual's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashing Turnip
On a random note who said you could use my pictures on your website without permisson?

http://spfreaks.redwolf.nl/Default.a...TAILS&item=496

I'm only joking, but if you'd asked me I could have taken some better pictures for you... ones that didn't ******* my embarrassing quilt!

Hey Smashing

Can you take better scans of this CD (front, back, CD itself) and send along to [email protected]? Would be much appreciated, thanks!

Not to mention, anything else you have that's not on there.

 
Oklahoma Sexual is offline
Old 07-30-2007, 10:50 PM   #49
ScaresBums
Oblivious Virgin
 
ScaresBums's Avatar
 
Location: Chanandler AZ
Posts: 39
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chsllama
offers? I'll try and dig up the info on their acquisition (shawn turner i believe, but i could be wrong)
I want to make you an offer that you can't refuse. Seriously though, if you really have these - lets talk.

 
ScaresBums is offline
Old 07-31-2007, 01:14 AM   #50
chsllama
Apocalyptic Poster
 
chsllama's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,203
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScaresBums
I want to make you an offer that you can't refuse. Seriously though, if you really have these - lets talk.
you have a PM

 
chsllama is offline
Old 07-31-2007, 10:30 AM   #51
Smashing Turnip
Ownz
 
Smashing Turnip's Avatar
 
Location: No Depression
Posts: 599
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oklahoma Sexual
Hey Smashing

Can you take better scans of this CD (front, back, CD itself) and send along to [email protected]? Would be much appreciated, thanks!

Not to mention, anything else you have that's not on there.
Here's a list of what sp stuff I own, so let me know if you want pics of anything. They'll only be photos though as I don't have a scanner anymore sorry!

CD Singles

Today (JAP) E.P W/ Obi Strip
Untitled (E.U)
Stand inside your love (UK)
The End Is The Beginning Is The End (sealed) (AUS card sleeve)
Siva (AUS card sleeve)
I Am One (AUS card sleeve)
Ava Adore (UK)
Rocket (AUS)
Lull E.P (JAP) W/ Obi Strip

CD’s (Non Promo)

Mellon Collie (JAP) 1st Pressing W/ Obi Strip & Sticker

Promo’s

Machina CD-R acetate Promo (AUS)
Stand Inside Your Love CD promo (UK)
Rotten Apples & Judas O x2 blue CD-R acetate promo (UK)
Mellon Collie x2 CS promo (UK)
Disarm Single 6 Track CS promo (UK)
Siamese Dream CS promo (US)
Still Becoming Apart CD promo (US)
Try, Try, Try, Single 2 Track CD-R in house Promo (UK)
Machina Interview CD Promo (UK)
Earphoria CD promo (US) 1000 copies
Drown CD promo (US)
Ava Adore Single 3 Track gold CD-R acetate promo (UK)
Crestfallen CD promo (US)
To Sheila CD promo (US)
Judas O Masterdisk Library Reference CD-R (US) Unique (given by Billy Corgan to a fan)
Daphne Descends CD promo (FR)
Today 7” promo (Philippines) c. 50 – 75 copies
Rhinoceros / Siva 7” promo (UK) c. 100 copies
Daughter 7” Flexi W/ reflex magazine (US) c. 1000 copies
The End Is The Beginning Is The End Remixes 12” black vinyl promo (GER)
Machina II Q101 x2 CD release hand numbered 928/2000 (US)
Machina II x4 CD-R acetate internal promo (UK)
Machina II E.P 3 CD-R Promo W/ Inlay (US)
Summer CS promo (US)
Gish CS promo (UK)
I Am One 10” test pressing black vinyl (UK) 15 copies
Live at the Cabaret Metro CD 10-05-88 given out at the last gig 02-12-02 (US) c. 800 – 1200 copies
Today CD promo (US)
In Concert 581 BBC Transcription CD 1994 (UK) 5 copies
I Am One 7” flexi promo (UK) c. 250 copies
Machina CS Promo (JAP)
Rotten Apples & Judas O x2 CS Promo (JAP)
Intimate and Interactive x2 CD-R acetate promo W/ Cue Sheets (US) 100 Copies
Peel Sessions Promo Single (First pressing with clown face CD) (UK)
Disarm CD 1 Promo Single (UK)
Try, Try, Try Promo Single (UK)
Perfect CD 1 Promo Single (UK)
Thirty-Three CD 1 Promo Single (UK)
James Iha Be Strong Now Promo Single (UK)
Bullet With Butterfly Wings Promo Single (UK)
Tonight, Tonight CD 1 Promo Single (UK)
Machina 2LP W/L Promo (US) 25 Copies
Stand Inside Your Love 12” W/L Promo (US) 25 Copies
Light Into Dark Test Pressing (US) 3 Copies
Machina Advance CD Promo (CAN)
Rocket Single 2 Track CS Promo (UK)
Siamese Dream special advance CS Promo (US)
Pisces Iscariot CS Promo (UK)
Pisces Iscariot Sampler CS Promo (UK)
The Everlasting Gaze CD-R Promo (Benelux)
True Power, True Faith CD Sampler for download catalogue W/ Press Release (US)
1979 Mixes 12” Test Pressing (US) ?2 Copies
Adore Blue CD-R promo (UK)
Adore Interview CD-R Promo (Made exclusively for Virgin Records Executives) (UK)
Gish Gold CD Promo (Gold pressing made exclusively for the band and employees of Caroline) (US) 100 Copies
Machina Gold CD-R promo W/ Inlay (US)
Bullet With Butterfly Wings Single 2 track CD-R Promo (UK)
Adore Gold CD-R Promo W/ Inlay (US)
Thirty-Three 3 Track CD Promo (Withdrawn) (UK)
Ava Adore Single CS Promo (US)
Black Sessions 29/06/93 CD Promo (FR) 2500 Copies

L.P’s

Gish original Caroline black vinyl (US)
Siamese Dream 2LP black vinyl (UK)
Pisces Iscariot amber vinyl with bonus 7” hand numbered 281/2000 (sealed) (US)
Adore 2LP black vinyl (US)
Machina 2LP black vinyl (US)


7” & 12” Singles

I Am One 7” Limited Potential (US) 1500 Copies
Disarm 7” purple vinyl (UK) c.5000 copies
Rocket 7” peach vinyl W/ box (UK) 1500 copies
Peel Sessions 12” black vinyl (UK)
1979 12” black vinyl (UK) 3000 copies
1979 mixes 12” black vinyl (UK) 1500 copies
Starchildren Delusions of Candor 7” black vinyl (US) 5000 copies
Siva 12” black vinyl W/ press release (UK) 5000 copies

Box Sets

Aeroplane Flies High 5x CD Single box set (US)
Siamese Singles box set 4x 7” singles black vinyl (UK) 6000 copies

Cassettes

Smashing Pumpkins (Demo Tape) (US) 500 copies
Pisces Iscariot (US)
Adore (UK)

Minidiscs

Machina (UK)

Misc.

European Tour Itinerary 1999-2000
Fanclub Letter 1993
I Am One Arising Tour Video Promo (FR)
Retail Reel and Tour Dates Video Promo (US)
Bullet With Butterfly Wings Music Video Metal Star Prop autographed
BWBW CS/CD Proof Artwork MCIS CS/CD Proof Artwork (US) (Unique?)

 
Smashing Turnip is offline
Old 07-31-2007, 01:07 PM   #52
Slurpee
Minion of Satan
 
Slurpee's Avatar
 
Location: breakfast
Posts: 6,173
Default

Thanks, Dead.

 
Slurpee is offline
Old 07-31-2007, 03:26 PM   #53
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashing Turnip
Here's a list of what sp stuff I own

Black Sessions 29/06/93 CD Promo (FR) 2500 Copies
share it, please.

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 08-25-2007, 04:10 AM   #54
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream
i'm still looking for the US version of the set by the way. if someone has it and might be willing to sell it, please let me know.
bumping this question

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 08-31-2007, 04:02 AM   #55
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by collectspumpkins
The original US set (CDs (CR-01, etc.-->see pictures above) with CD cases, not paper sleeves/inserts) was basically made by Virgin fans to listen to it. This set was the one used to make the US/UK promo CDs that did get distributed.
a couple of questions:
- with "US/UK promo CDs that did get distributed", you mean the promo cds that come in plastic sleeves, right? the ones with the london address on the inserts? (=> uk promos, no?)
or are there two different US sets: the original set, in cd cases, and a distributed set, different from the original set? if so, how do those "distributed US sets" look like?

- you say "virgin fans" created the original sets to listen to it. what exactly does that mean? pumpkins fans who worked for virgin at the time? it sounds like they made these for themselves. was this ok or was this a bit of an illegal action?
were they made before or after the vinyls were sent out to everyone with the message to spread these online?
i always thought these in-house promos were made to discuss the eventual release of machina II, but that doesn't really make sense in the case they were made after the vinyls were sent out.

- anyone knows with what purpose these promo sets got distributed? who received these sets?

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 08-31-2007, 04:36 AM   #56
Endless Whining
Pledge
 
Location: Whinerville DC, USW
Posts: 221
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cool As Ice Cream
a couple of questions:
- with "US/UK promo CDs that did get distributed", you mean the promo cds that come in plastic sleeves, right? the ones with the london address on the inserts? (=> uk promos, no?)
or are there two different US sets: the original set, in cd cases, and a distributed set, different from the original set? if so, how do those "distributed US sets" look like?

- you say "virgin fans" created the original sets to listen to it. what exactly does that mean? pumpkins fans who worked for virgin at the time? it sounds like they made these for themselves. was this ok or was this a bit of an illegal action?
were they made before or after the vinyls were sent out to everyone with the message to spread these online?
i always thought these in-house promos were made to discuss the eventual release of machina II, but that doesn't really make sense in the case they were made after the vinyls were sent out.

- anyone knows with what purpose these promo sets got distributed? who received these sets?
distributed > i.e. as is: not made for personal use only; the plastic sleeve ones (with the London address/no artwork, just tracklisting insert), these are in some widespread circulation, i.e. there are quite some copies around; these were distributed outside of a small circle of in-house employees; like the supposed ten for the USA set; might even be every European or foreign office of Virgin got a set like the UK one? I mean: my set originated from Sweden for example.

USA distributed sets > i've never seen a non-UK set similar to the UK one distributed, so the US didn't get any of these sets besides the 'orginal in-house' version with artwork?! would be my guess

USA Virgin set/fans > well, people making a rip/dump to Virgin cdr's to listen to isn't exactly illegal for personal use, kinda ironic to say the least as the label didn't release the shit out of the album, but well, shit happens... now that it's out they want to listen to it, so fix themselves a neat looking version, just like numerous fans around the world have done, or as Q101 did.

what I'm curious about though - has anyone got any verified information as to what's the source for these USA and subsequently the UK promo sets? it's clearly vinyl sourced, that's audible, but did Virgin get a set - either themselves, or through Tigershorty of the O-site (didn't he get one?), did Virgin get a rip from Corgan, or did they use another existing rip floating around from the web? i never got around to checking these versions on the UK promos myself.

time > these promos were all clearly made after the vinyl set was cut; all promos feature the CR release codes; which wouldn't make any sense as Corgan created Constantinople Records as a private imprint just to release these four (+Metro88 give-away cd CR-05) discs. When you're still debating a possible release of this material not only would the split in an album and three EPs be a little bit strange, why not make a double album out of it (would have fit, on two cdrs), but there would be no CR release codes on there, would there?

recieving end > i can imagine some contacts from Virgin execs might have gotten these, but for the rest; internal use only so to draft press releases, play at meetings or whatever, just for reference which would explain why these aren't in super wide circulation as was to be expected when sent out to press, radio et al.

 
Endless Whining is offline
Old 08-31-2007, 04:47 AM   #57
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Endless Whining
time > these promos were all clearly made after the vinyl set was cut
well duh, they're vinyl sourced.

i was considering the option that the vinyls had been around for a while. then they made the promos for an eventual release, and then, when that wasn't going to happen, they sent the vinyls out.
this is probably not what happened, but i think i once read something similar, so that's why i'm asking.

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 08-31-2007, 04:50 AM   #58
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Endless Whining
what I'm curious about though - has anyone got any verified information as to what's the source for these USA and subsequently the UK promo sets? it's clearly vinyl sourced, that's audible, but did Virgin get a set - either themselves, or through Tigershorty of the O-site (didn't he get one?), did Virgin get a rip from Corgan, or did they use another existing rip floating around from the web? i never got around to checking these versions on the UK promos myself.
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...2&postcount=48
http://forums.netphoria.org/showpost...7&postcount=53

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
Old 08-31-2007, 05:19 AM   #59
Endless Whining
Pledge
 
Location: Whinerville DC, USW
Posts: 221
Default

right so what we have is:
- EA's slightly fast first rip [also found on some European rare promo cdrs sourced from the band's own 'tour' copies on cdr made by EA]
- SPIFC rip
- Q101 rip [and the polished/edited Dutch fanclub version thereof]
- Tigershorty's O-site rip MP3s
- Tigershorty's O-site rip on the Virgin UK/USA promo cdr sets > lossless? [i.e. not sourced from the O-site MP3s?]
I knew this, but couldn't find the txt files anywhere...
All full sets of MII are vinyl sourced.
Only non-vinyl sourced versions of some songs appear on GH/JO.

 
Endless Whining is offline
Old 08-31-2007, 06:27 AM   #60
Cool As Ice Cream
Just Hook it to My Veins!
 
Cool As Ice Cream's Avatar
 
Location: František! How's the foot of your turtle?
Posts: 32,741
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Endless Whining
Only non-vinyl sourced versions of some songs appear on GH/JO.
and on the untitled single: try alt.

 
Cool As Ice Cream is offline
 


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is On
Google


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:03 AM.




Smashing Pumpkins, Alternative Music
& General Discussion Message Board and Forums
www.netphoria.org - Copyright © 1998-2022